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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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Floisme · 05/12/2019 08:28

I have every faith that the brilliant regulars will keep being tenacious, and that new lurkers step up all the time. This isn't a personality movement - this is about all of us pulling together,
Absolutely agree. This is what the monitors do not understand and why they will never win.

Thanks for being brilliant and best of luck Wine

AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 05/12/2019 08:48

Another, mostly lurking, voice to thank you for all your words and wisdom. I've loved the richness of your writing, and appreciated & enjoyed the Catholic references, as well as the feminism. You will be missed.

Datun · 05/12/2019 09:12

My dear floral. What a difference you've made.

The tide is turning because if insight like yours.

Look after yourself x

HorseWithNoYawnsToGive · 05/12/2019 09:18

Floral, thank you.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/12/2019 09:38

Oh, I will miss you dearly, Floral, but I understand your reasoning. Sending love. Flowers

UpfieldHatesWomen · 05/12/2019 10:01

Floral I'm a newbie but have lurked for the past year and read almost daily. I have learned so so much from your posts, so I'm sorry you feel it's time for you to leave, but it's understandable. Thank-you for everything you've contributed.

iamright17 · 05/12/2019 10:07

Floral I will miss you here. You have helped me so much. I will also be joining you soon as I am getting deleted for saying CULT. The TRAs are behaving this way and deleting this opinion just cements this as mumsnet are fearing the backlash.

My child is caught up on this cult. Why am I not allowed to say this?
It is what it is.

LangCleg · 05/12/2019 10:16

What Datun said.

And Flowers for iamright.

birdsdestiny · 05/12/2019 10:24

The parents of children are saying it. Do their feelings not matter. The transwidows gain support from each other. Are the parents such as Iamright not entitled to support. Part of support is being able to describe what is happening to you.

ThePurported · 05/12/2019 10:39

I will miss you Floral Flowers

Part of support is being able to describe what is happening to you.
Yes birds. It's bizarre to see a parenting site actively preventing parents from sharing certain relevant aspects of their experiences.

birdsdestiny · 05/12/2019 12:29

Floral you should stay and I should go. Have just been suckered into a horrible thread. I shouldn't be allowed out.

OhHolyJesus · 05/12/2019 12:31

I will miss you hugely Floral wishing you well and glad to know you are jumping rather than being pushed.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/12/2019 12:41

I’m really sorry to see MNHQ’s modding stop parents from talking about serious problems faced by their children

Flowers floral

GrinitchSpinach · 05/12/2019 18:01

I was just re-watching Natasha Chart's speech from outside the US Supreme Court in October, and this bit reminded me of Bunbury and many of our dearly departed posters:

Sisters, when a man puts you under constant surveillance and retaliates whenever you say no, and huffs about being indispensable, and he makes you lie to spare his feelings, and he always puts you in the wrong — no matter what — that is not a partnership. It’s abuse. Plan a way out before it gets worse. It will get worse.

www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/08/watch-feminist-speaks-against-transgender-ideology-i-will-not-submit/

(Hate that this has to be a Breitbart link, but the NYT is busy platforming Rachel/Veronica/whatever/McKinnon and did not see fit to cover the women's and parents' protest)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/12/2019 18:04

It's going to be extremely difficult but can I suggest that all of Germaine's devoted fans refrain from engaging with 4 legged creatures with whom no conversation is ever productive?

LangCleg · 05/12/2019 18:13

I would concur on the starving of oxygen there.

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/12/2019 18:16

Floral Sad Flowers

MIdgebabe · 05/12/2019 18:25

Not 3 legged?

Uncompromisingwoman · 05/12/2019 18:27

So sorry to see Floral going - yet another great loss. Flowers

And yes, please let's do some oxygen starvation in certain quarters. So many of Bunbury's advice is pertinent in a certain quarter.

midcenturylegs · 05/12/2019 18:29

I've just watched Natasha Chart's speech for the first time and I am sobbing and I am angry.

I've been lurking here for a bit and I too really valued and learnt from Floral's writings. Thank you 💐

iamright17 · 07/12/2019 00:45

I was deleted for saying a
'Cult is a cult. From a parent who also knows. Transgender cult has stolen my child.' Gonna get deleted again but hopefully more people will see this before my deletion

GrinitchSpinach · 07/12/2019 12:24

Flowers iamright

midcentury, isn’t Chart amazing? She grew up a Jehovah’s Witness and has written about heresy and shunning in this debate here:
womensliberationfront.org/shunning-and-democracy/

I really want to link her speech at the protest outside Human Rights Campaign in January, as I think it was even more powerful than the Supreme Court one, but it seems to have disappeared. :( I will keep looking to see if I can find a different link.

GCAcademic · 07/12/2019 12:59

I've only just seen that Floral is going, and we are losing yet another brilliant poster Sad

Clymene · 07/12/2019 15:23

Oh no, I'm very sad to read that Sad

AnyOldPrion · 07/12/2019 16:39

I’m late too. Goodbye Floral, if you’re still reading. Thanks for your wonderful analysis.