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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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Kit19 · 06/09/2019 15:59

www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

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sunshinesupermum · 06/09/2019 19:38

I really don't see a problem with girls wearing trousers to school. They are more practical and comfortable. Thrush? WTF! I've never worn a pair of trousers that caused me thrush. Tights now is a different matter ...

Why are these parents making such a big deal over the uniform policy? Nuts.

snowbear66 · 06/09/2019 19:41

A good example of how trans rights are being rolled out by a patchwork of local decision makers, all implementing their own half-arsed ideas.

This is not gender neutral, the girls have to wear the boys uniform.

Juells · 06/09/2019 19:41

I just saw the prissy head on the news. He looked exactly like the kind of man who'd be measuring the length of girls' skirts and decreeing they were too short, put trousers on.

Juells · 06/09/2019 19:43

Why are these parents making such a big deal over the uniform policy?

Because some girls prefer to wear skirts. Because girls are forever being policed about what they wear and how they wear it.

Lindy2 · 06/09/2019 19:49

My DD has just started year 7.
Based upon what I've seen so far from the older pupils her school would probably benefit from a trouser only policy.
My DD has chosen to wear trousers. She's definitely in the minority. I'm happier though that she has chosen trousers rather than thinking she needs to shorten her school skirt so that it hardly covers her bum or thinking that is the norm for girls to have to do to fit in.

sunshinesupermum · 06/09/2019 19:49

Juells a school uniform policy is not 'being policed about what they wear and how they wear it' It's school policy - end of.

sunshinesupermum · 06/09/2019 19:51

This is not gender neutral, the girls have to wear the boys uniform.

FFS - trousers are UNISEX - I remember fighting to wear them in the late 1960s for my first job when we were all expected to wear skirts so that the men could oggle our legs!

SirVixofVixHall · 06/09/2019 19:52

I wore skirts at school, we had the option of trousers in the sixth form but I preferred skirts. An A line skirt and opaque tights can be more comfortable and easier to fit than trousers. My dds wear either, but as they both have very small waists it is much easier to find a well fitting skirt than trousers, which I usually have to have altered.
Skirts are also cooler in hot weather than horrible school uniform trousers. What a ridiculous policy.

GoneToTheDock · 06/09/2019 19:53

@sunshinesupermum
I really don't see a problem with girls wearing trousers to school.

I'm with you, it's a non flipping issue. I thought it was interesting how the girls in the media were wearing skirt halfway up their thighs. I'm not shaming or saying they should be modest, but seriously, that's not appropriate for school.

If everyone wears trousers then everyone wears the same. The only problem I can personally see is buying new uniform for 1 years, but apart from that, that the rules and if you dont like them then school your child elsewhere

GoneToTheDock · 06/09/2019 19:54

And I bloody hate tights, and never wear them, nasty sweaty eurgh

ALoadOfTwaddle · 06/09/2019 19:54

Storm in a teacup. Police etc to deal with a uniform issue- massive overreaction.

That said, I'm surprised it's that big of a deal in this day and age. Though we had skirts at school, very few girls wore them. The vast majority wore baggy trousers, (though they had to be long enough to touch your shoes while you were seated to avoid getting ribbed for wearing 'short weekenders'). They could have been banned with very little fuss.

Also, my trousers were used for years after as work trousers, for interviews etc. It's not really just buying them for nine months unless they're a silly colour- most adults have black trousers in their wardrobes.

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 19:55

Any comments on what the boys were wearing ?

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 19:56

Were you told twaddle that you weren’t allowed to wear a skirt ?

AppleKatie · 06/09/2019 19:57

I teach in a school with a gender neutral uniform policy - we have a ‘with skirts’ uniform and a ‘with trousers’ uniform.

In practice it’s ‘boys’ and ‘girls’ and the trans kids wear whichever they identify with.

I would prefer trousers only. Skirts are invariably too short to be decent and the girls feel immense pressure to conform by rolling up their skirts. I think this is unfair on them tbh.

Skirts also inhibit them in practical lessons (eg drama) where they are reluctant to join in to the same extent as boys for fear of flashing their pants (which despite the skirt length they really don’t want to do).

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 20:03

What’s with this here policing of what girls wear to school

What about talking about what the boys wear.

Like very tight skinnies

What’s going on here

IndianaMoleWoman · 06/09/2019 20:04

My inner cynic thinks that this has less to do with being gender neutral and more to do with the latest update to Keeping Children Safe In Education, the safeguarding document that schools abide by. The latest edition includes upskirting advice, since it was made illegal. No skirts=no upskirting=no inconvenient crimes against girls being committed in schools for the school to deal with. Fuck teaching boys NOT to upskirt, just punish the girls by taking away their right to wear a skirt.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 06/09/2019 20:07

There is nothing brilliant about this although the usual tedious bores who appear on these threads droning on about how much they hate skirts, skirts are so impractical etc etc ad nauseam apparently think it is

Exactly. Just because Jane loves trousers doesn't mean Susan has to wear them.
Wearing trousers is feminist when it's done by choice. Take away the choice and it's the patriarchy all over again. Fuck that.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 06/09/2019 20:09

I'm with you, it's a non flipping issue. I thought it was interesting how the girls in the media were wearing skirt halfway up their thighs. I'm not shaming or saying they should be modest, but seriously, that's not appropriate for school.

Why?

Juells · 06/09/2019 20:11

sunshinesupermum

It's school policy - end of.

You may not realise this, sunshinesupermum, but 'end of' doesn't end anything. Grin

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 20:12

I thought it was interesting how the girls in the media were wearing skirt halfway up their thighs. I'm not shaming or saying they should be modest, but seriously, that's not appropriate for school.

Call the church elders! A female showed a leg Shock

MargueritaBlue · 06/09/2019 20:26

Thrush? WTF! I've never worn a pair of trousers that caused me thrush. Tights now is a different matter ...

Oh well that's all right then- never been a problem for you so anyone else must have imagined it.

Skirts also inhibit them in practical lessons (eg drama) where they are reluctant to join in to the same extent as boys for fear of flashing their pants (which despite the skirt length they really don’t want to do)

Do you ever actually go to the cinema or a theatre? You know where you might see a female actor in a dress.

There are some truly dim and exaggerated posts on here.

most adults have black trousers in their wardrobes
I don't. I hate wearing trousers. They are uncomfortable, don't fit, are too warm in the summer and not warm enough in the winter. Jeans are particularly awful for those reasons and they give me thrush.

CassianAndor · 06/09/2019 21:03

marguerite you do know this is the FWR board? Where we can chat and apply class analysis and looks at things from a feminist viewpoint? Look all around an issue, think things through? Discuss and debate?

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stucknoue · 06/09/2019 21:11

I prefer skirts as do my DD's, past uniforms now but dd wears dresses to university most days (she lives at home). Why should women have to wear the men's default option???

Oblomov19 · 06/09/2019 21:13

FFS. Of course girls should wear skirts. And trousers if they want to.
This is mental. Ridiculous.

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