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Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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Kit19 · 06/09/2019 15:59

www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/09/2019 18:10

And i know boys that wear girls trousers cos they can’t get the boys skinny enough!

truthisarevolutionaryact · 06/09/2019 18:11

It is great that this stuff is all over the press today. People need to be aware of the insidious creep of this movement - policy capture to the extent that the police are called to stop teenage girls in skirts from attending school fgs!
And women on here (or maybe men, who knows?) talking about the horror of girls wearing skirts that are too short and insisting that policing them and forcing them into trousers is the way forward.
Sad

JoyceJeffries · 06/09/2019 18:26

We now live in a country where the police are enforcing dress codes on girls and dealing with hurt feelings from twitter. Just wonderful.

Aderyn19 · 06/09/2019 18:33

I disagree that teachers ought to be as restricted as students in terms of dress code - teachers are grown arse women, with every right to dress as they see fit (within the bounds of what constitutes professional appearance). They have chosen a career with no uniform requirements. Teachers are not on the same level as children and to impose the same restraints, removes the natural respect and distance which ought to exist between staff and pupils.

That said, this policy is ridiculous. The police ought to be ashamed of themselves for indulging this nonsense instead of dealing with actual crime.
For allegedly intelligent, well educated people, the management of this school have handled this situation unprofessionally. Initially the pupils were told the new rules only applied to new students. Then at the last minute this was extended to the whole school - it's utterly unreasonable to expect parents of year 11s to buy new uniform when their dc will only be in school for two terms. Professionally managed schools have a period of time where both old and new uniform is allowed, in order that parents can replace with the new as their children outgrow the old.

I agree that it is defaulting to the male standard and that this school is shit scared of boys turning up in skirts. Instead, they've made proper tits of themselves in all the national press and social media.
It makes you wonder what other aspects of the school are bring so woefully mismanaged!

RubyViolet · 06/09/2019 18:38

BBC News channel at 7.25pm. They are flagging an upcoming news item on this story, Gender neutral uniform protest. Looks like a five minute piece.

happydappy2 · 06/09/2019 18:44

have just emailed the school as this is so silly-girls are to be denied an education, in their GCSE year, because they are wearing a skirt.....its just insane.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 06/09/2019 18:46

Why should girls have less choice than ‘grownarse women’?

If this is about gender equality then what difference does the age make? A uniform is fine, teachers don’t have to wear it, but why should they get dispensation for gender equal clothes?

BertrandRussell · 06/09/2019 18:48

“grown arse women”
Ick.

Aragog · 06/09/2019 18:51

I think it's brilliant.

But why? Why can't we have a choice?
Not everyone likes to wear trousers. They don't suit all frames and when you are short, getting decent fitting trousers are a real pain at times.

Choose a thick enough skirt material and rolling is much harder.

I also noticed that at least 2 members of the staff were were skirts.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 06/09/2019 19:05

I don’t understand what exactly is brilliant about this?

Can someone explain, please?

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 19:15

What the police being called to girls who want to wear skirts

Brilliant fucking brilliant

There is nothing brilliant about this

CassianAndor · 06/09/2019 19:15

Some random rambling ponderings:

The things is, take uniform out of the mix and what do most girls wear? Jeans and leggings. I work in an office with no dress code and the vast majority of the women staff wear jeans. At DD’s non-uniform primary the girls are rarely, if ever, in skirts. Jeans, leggings, shorts.

We should also address why most men, presumably facing the same issues with getting trousers to fit, suiting them etc, aren’t lining up demanding to wear skirts.

Its kind of like the arguments that get trotted out about women changing their names on marriage. I didn’t like my name. It’s my dad’s name and he was horrible. But men don’t change their names, don’t give it a second thought 99% of the time, when though many will not like their name or have a horrible dad.

It’s not about male being the default. It’s about women still bowing to the patriarchy, to their own detriment an awful lot of the time. Skirts, high heels, tight fitting tops, long hair. All varying levels of impractical. Remember the final victim of the London Bridge terrorists? She fell over on her high heels. Killer heels indeed.

Why is the female default less practical than the male? To hinder women, to keep them helpless and dependant.

But it all gets derailed by the ‘choice’ crew. Important that women and girls have the choice to act against their own best interests.

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 19:16

What if boys were forced to wear skirts. And the police were called because the boys demonstrated against it

Would never happen

BertrandRussell · 06/09/2019 19:19

But my feminist dd wears skirts- she is very hourglass shaped and finds it difficult to get trousers to fit her, so for work she wears skirts or dresses and trainers. At school she wore skirts and brogues.
Have you seen the heels Meghan Markle wears with trousers?

MargueritaBlue · 06/09/2019 19:24

The way people talk about girls is pretty vile

There are indeed. Really vile.

Idon’t understand what exactly is brilliant about this?

There is nothing brilliant about this although the usual tedious bores who appear on these threads droning on about how much they hate skirts, skirts are so impractical etc etc ad nauseam apparently think it is.

MargueritaBlue · 06/09/2019 19:27

But it all gets derailed by the ‘choice’ crew. Important that women and girls have the choice to act against their own best interests

Oh bore off. You don't like skirts- fine. Stop telling other women how to dress.

BertrandRussell · 06/09/2019 19:27

“There is nothing brilliant about this although the usual tedious bores who appear on these threads droning on about how much they hate skirts, skirts are so impractical etc etc ad nauseam apparently think it is.”

Yes. They might have a point if anyone was suggesting that they had to wear skirts. Which is rather the point.

Loopytiles · 06/09/2019 19:28

Just seen this in Times. Silly policy. Everyone should have option to wear either trousers or skirts.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/09/2019 19:32

Important that women and girls have the choice to act against their own best interests

I missed this

Yeah choice to act in their interest and against their interest

The whole autonomy thing

Juells · 06/09/2019 19:34

Why is the female default less practical than the male?

How are skirts less practical? Where I live there are a lot of Keralans, and when they're relaxing at home the men all wear what is, to all intents and purposes, a skirt. Because it's more comfortable.

www.alamy.com/stock-photo/kerala-lungi.html

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 19:34

I think there should be the choice to wear either skirts or trousers as a girl.
If that's the uniform policy though I'd wear trousers at school, after all it's the uniform and all schools have uniform regulations.
Mention the word gender neutral and there's automatically outrage, maybe they should just have said trousers only as part of the uniform and left it at that lol.

BertrandRussell · 06/09/2019 19:36

It’s not skirts that are intrinsically less practical. It’s the shoes we are told we have to wear with them.

Haworthia · 06/09/2019 19:36

Isn’t it funny how the “gender neutral” movement always ends up denigrating “girl’s things”? We go from banning skirts to the Pink Stinks campaign.

My daughter prefers trousers and I’m happy with that. She doesn’t like pink either. But I hate the very overt message that girl’s things are inferior and need to be abolished. Where’s the Blue Stinks campaign?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 19:38

have just emailed the school as this is so silly-girls are to be denied an education, in their GCSE year, because they are wearing a skirt.....its just insane.

Do you have anyone at the school? Apologies if you do, but if not I can't imagine rocking up at a random school nothing to do with me and complaining I don't like their uniform rules.
It'd be a case like "er, well you don't even go here" a'la Mean Girls scene Grin

Juells · 06/09/2019 19:38

Oh bore off.

You tell 'em 😂