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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Special trans taxi services to keep them safe

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/09/2019 13:52

Hey BBC, where's our front-page promoted article and video interview about all the things women have done for and by each other, for centuries, to stay safe in public? No?

The "look at poor ickle us suffering from these things nobody has ever had to worry about before" is so infuriating. We have been living this shit forever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49516092/the-taxi-service-trying-to-keep-trans-people-safe

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RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:05

Huh? Who is stealing what?

This, this is just what I don't get on here. I mean, it's just a complete lack of taking in, or something Confused
Obvs I'm not the poster, so apols if wrong here, but surely they meant if somebody is able to empathise, that they're saying that they know what it's like, why would there be a geneal problem with services for trans people? Because surely with them saying that they're discriminated against too, they'd be fine with others wanting to make themselves feel safe?
As in, it's not a finite resource of safe feels. I don't feel safe so you shouldn't either?
I get what people are saying, yes some women feel vulnerable in taxis and want female only ones. As they feel oppressed, vulnerable etc.
So I'm not missing the point there, but I don't get why "we don't have one so you shouldn't either" mentality is coming across from some.

PurpleCrowbar · 06/09/2019 11:06

I don't see where there's any disagreement, Karkasaurus.

Women on this thread seem entirely happy for trans people to have their own exclusive taxi services, or ones which include them plus whoever they want to invite.

As you say, none of our business. Happy to take a stance of disinterested & vague benevolence, personally. Sounds like a nice idea, hope it works, don't mind me, I'll be over here not getting in your way? Confused

horse4course · 06/09/2019 11:07

A lot of you sound really bitter and hateful tbh.

PurpleCrowbar · 06/09/2019 11:09

Who has said they have a problem with trans people setting up their own taxi services, Roses?

It's almost like you completely invented that.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:11

Who has said they have a problem with trans people setting up their own taxi services, Roses?

Nobody has. Are you misreading what I put on purpose or summat?
I didn't even say anything about that.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:13

Assuming that was in response to my last post? As it's completely nothing to do with what I've put and a complete word twist and bizarre.

PurpleCrowbar · 06/09/2019 11:14

Then I don't understand your last post.

As you say, no one has expressed any objections to trans people having their own taxis. It's cool. Good luck to them.

Datun · 06/09/2019 11:15

Trans people can absolutely have their own services, as long as we can too and they, nor anyone else, complains.

If they start to complain about women only services, they lose the right to dictate boundaries that they do not respect in anyone else.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 11:16

'I get what people are saying, yes some women feel vulnerable in taxis and want female only ones. As they feel oppressed, vulnerable etc.'

The thing is that women only services across the board, and women /girl only orgs etc are being shut down / defunded/ opened up across the board.

So trans services = great. Let's get them set up.

But, women only services and loads of other things are being attacked shut down disregarded etc etc

Datun · 06/09/2019 11:17

So trans people can only have their taxi service on the proviso you get your own taxi service

On the proviso that they don't stop us creating boundaries around all our services.

I'm not sure why you're finding this so difficult to grasp.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 11:17

I don't see why we can't have both.

But, women only (female) anything is deemed reactionary, regressive, and must be opened up or shut down.

This has been going on for years with men whinging about women getting 'special treatment' and now it seems, the job is done.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:19

Ookay. For clarity
No one's really expressing objections to trans people having their own taxis, no. As in trans all in their own taxis away from non-trans type thing for want of a better expression?
People are objecting on here to the fact that they feel the need to have their own space, one post even said "speshul peeple" (WTAF) and the whole tone of the thread is why do they get it and us women don't - my post was referring to the it's not a finite or situation like the post upthread was.
The two points are getting conflated.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 06/09/2019 11:21

No, its a coup.

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Fraggling · 06/09/2019 11:23

'So call and ask for a female driver.

But yes, indeed, you are not legally entitled to one. And really, I don't think you should be. Where does it stop?'

I don't get where this stuff is coming from it's silly.

Literally no one has said the government must write a law saying that female drivers must be available for female customers.

It's just made up!

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:24

Trans people can absolutely have their own services, as long as we can too and they, nor anyone else, complains. If they start to complain about women only services, they lose the right to dictate boundaries that they do not respect in anyone else

Taxis aren't sex segregated though.
Although a quick google shows that if I was wanting to get a taxi now, there's women only taxis out there I could book if I wanted.
So what exactly is the problem? As it seems there IS women taxis out there.
We can all go in the taxi we wanted - women who feel vulnerable can call a female taxi service, women who don't mind either way can just ring up the local cab company and get whoever comes to the door, and trans people feeling vulnerable can get a trans friendly service...
so all happy surely

PurpleCrowbar · 06/09/2019 11:25

You see, it looks to me quite a lot like you, Roses, are deliberately confusing the two things.

It is totally reasonable for trans people to set up safe spaces & services for themselves. Equally, it is totally reasonable for women - as in female born people - to do the same.

I would be disinclined to take seriously anyone objecting to either. If you're not in the target demographic, it's not your business - let those people over there who aren't bothering you do their thing.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 11:34

'People are objecting on here to the fact that they feel the need to have their own space, one post even said "speshul peeple" (WTAF) and the whole tone of the thread is why do they get it and us women don't'

No you misunderstand.

Women have for, well forever probably, set up our own stuff, or lobbied for it, fought for changes to laws, services that meet our needs, we set up our own services and so on. Because women know that we don't just get stuff as the world is built run managed from a male perspective. The idea that we want people to give us stuff waah snoffair is a misread. Women have always done this stuff for ourselves.

The point is that increasingly over the last couple decades things that we have won / gained / set up for women are increasingly under attack and we are losing them. From the standard thing where men complain about women only community stuff, all the way through to sports. Different groups with different aims and drivers have all turned their attention to pushing in one direction.

Sex is a real thing and a protected characteristic but in the current climate, trying to do women anything, as in old fashioned women not anyone who says they are a woman, comes under pressure. The yaniv thing is the logical outcome.

So yes trans things fab great. Set them up, secure the funding etc. Make them trans only.

But sometimes it would be nice if women (cunty) could do this too. Because as soon as you say a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, then there is no such thing as womens anything, they are for everyone. And then, in some situations, women lose privacy and / or are at higher risk from the very very large number of creepy pervy men in the world.

Datun · 06/09/2019 11:35

Taxis aren't sex segregated though.

For women, it would be useful if they were. Because the biggest risk to women is whether or not someone is a male or female. Not how they identify

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 11:35

As in trans all in their own taxis away from non-trans type thing for want of a better expression?

That's not what posters here are saying, just to clarify. Apologies if I've misunderstood you again, things are moving quickly.

the whole tone of the thread is why do they get it and us women don't

Personally, I don't see it as quite that simplistic. It's not that people are complaining that women don't get their own taxis - people are complaining that similar services (not just taxis) aimed at being female only are often described as sexist and in some cases have been shut down/not allowed to operate.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 11:36

And that is where the intersections with mras comes in, as they say, namalt. Don't tar us all with the same brush. You're being sexist.

So the push from one direction is finished by a different group. And the end result is, all womens spaces open to any men who fancy being in them. For women and girls this is a poor result.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:45

The point is that increasingly over the last couple decades things that we have won / gained / set up for women are increasingly under attack and we are losing them. From the standard thing where men complain about women only community stuff, all the way through to sports. Different groups with different aims and drivers have all turned their attention to pushing in one direction

OK, I get that, but how are we under attack or losing spaces because people feel the need for a trans friendly taxi?
It's taking nothing away from us by them having this.
It's got nothing to do with a trans friendly taxi service.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:47

Taxis aren't sex segregated though. For women, it would be useful if they were

This is it. You don't speak for all women. Not all women want to be sex segregated, there's other countries that do that. Not here. (Assuming you're in the UK.)
You ring up for a female taxi, I'll ring up just general taxi. You don't get to segregate all women.
We're not a segregated country.

PurpleCrowbar · 06/09/2019 11:54

It would be impractical to have completely sex segregated taxis - one couldn't travel by taxi with a male companion.

But 'women only' taxis should be left in peace, where there is demand for them, to operate on a fully 'female only no exceptions' policy.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 11:58

But 'women only' taxis should be left in peace, where there is demand for them, to operate on a fully 'female only no exceptions' policy

I've googled, there's a couple near me I could ring up. So they obviously are left in peace and must be some demand for them to be in operation
What are we basing this on, one company said that they weren't to operate so that means women taxis aren't allowed? They obviously are.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 12:00

'OK, I get that, but how are we under attack or losing spaces because people feel the need for a trans friendly taxi?'

Huh?

No you're missing the point again.

Trans services should be set up, funded etc. They are a group with very specific needs and experiences and that would be good. Trans people setting up their own businesses eg trans taxis is all good as well.

The point is that it seems OK currently to set these up, good, but single sex things are being dismantled, the reason given, that they are exclusionary.

This feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth is all.

Trans stuff great.
But trans rights activists routinely attack sex specific things, and usually in one direction, the stuff for women and girls.

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