Special trans taxi services to keep them safe

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Hey BBC, where's our front-page promoted article and video interview about all the things women have done for and by each other, for centuries, to stay safe in public? No?

The "look at poor ickle us suffering from these things nobody has ever had to worry about before" is so infuriating. We have been living this shit forever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49516092/the-taxi-service-trying-to-keep-trans-people-safe

Scotland is completely irrelevant

You missed out a couple of words there.

Women in Scotland are completely irrelevant

Yes I’d say women in Scotland are very irrelevant to the operation of a taxi firm in New York City actually!

So it's ok for a trans only taxi service but not one for women?

I remember that report Mamello. The Phillip Lee thread is also highlighting the one rule for sitting male MPs and one rule for women voters phenomenon.

The sad thing is that it seems really hard to establish a service for women with women drivers. I found one in the north west that got round the council licensing problem by becoming a club. I won't use Uber but I have read reports that many women won't even go right to their doorstep in case the driver sees where they live. I wait to see what suggestions they have to set up and sustain a taxi service for women.

Who is killing them all Alan? Sort your own sex class out.

I agree that men as a class are violent, but victim blaming the individual isn't the answer IMO. The type of guy that typically gets picked on isn't usually the sort to take on all the bullies and 'sort them out'.

Yes I’d say women in Scotland are very irrelevant to the operation of a taxi firm in New York City actually!

Are you as passionate about the fact that Glasgow council refused to give a license for an all female taxi service? Did you defend the women upset by that? What has happened in New York shows the huge difference between how men who identify as women are treated generally and how women are treated in the UK. Do you think Glasgow would get away with refusing a license for a trans only taxi service? I think we all know what would happen in that case.

They’d get gold plated hacks.

Exactly!

Trans woman complains about being scared to walk home from clubs and taxis costing money, also about not liking having to police what they wear and how they act when out.

Yup, definitely something just trans people experience.

Men are murdered in higher numbers in the UK and US (although not in all countries- NZ is an exception).

But I believe over 90% of rape and sexual assault is done to female victims (girls and women), and this is why a women-only service would be invaluable.

I support the trans-only service.

I also strongly support women-only services.

Men are murdered in higher numbers in the UK and US (although not in all countries- NZ is an exception).

By men.

But I believe over 90% of rape and sexual assault is done to female victims (girls and women)

Again, by men.

I’ve no problem with a trans only service, if women can have a female only service that excludes ALL men, no matter how they identify. But that’s never going to happen. Men who identify as trans want trans only spaces but they also want to be included in women’s spaces. They basically want ALL the space. It never chances, no matter how oppressed they call themselves.

The statistical number of trans people being killed is actually a lot lower than the average murder rate in the US. They also are not being killed by random strangers. The murders have predominantly been by partners or former partners or punters (where the victim has been working in the sex industry). How precisely will taxis help this? By contrast, there are countless stories across the world of women being attacked by strangers and even murdered by strangers as they are walking home (eg the Yorkshire Ripper murders in the UK) although women are also statistically most likely to be at risk from men they know.

It does make me wonder why TRAs want to exaggerate the sense of risk and presumably make members of the community scared. And why are the claims that trans people are being murdered in droves never examined? In the UK, the same line is trotted out and the number is so negligible as to be irrelevant for statistical purposes.

The statistical number of trans people being killed is actually a lot lower than the average murder rate in the US. They also are not being killed by random strangers. The murders have predominantly been by partners or former partners or punters (where the victim has been working in the sex industry).

Exactly. The weird - and frankly disturbing - obsession to conflate and somehow out-murder women (and out suicide everyone) does a disservice to actual issues faced by distinct groups.

For example:

1. Women as a sex are overwhelmingly attacked/raped/killed - often by intimate partners. How do we work on that?
2. Trans sex workers are disproportionately(?) killed by their users. How do we work on that?

They are completely different scenarios with completely different victims. The only similarity is that it is men as the near-exclusive aggressor.

Conflating the two minimises the impact and hides the issues and stops us being able to work on resolving it.

Women don't conflate their issues with tw, so why must tw conflate their issues with women, when it only harms them more? Are they actually wanting to fix the issue of male violence against them, or just glory in their martyrdom?

To deflect from the stats they they are proportionally more likely to be the attacker than the attackee?

Well now don't go talking sense and facts there Fekko!

I’ve no problem with a trans only service, if women can have a female only service that excludes ALL men, no matter how they identify. But that’s never going to happen. Men who identify as trans want trans only spaces but they also want to be included in women’s spaces. They basically want ALL the space. It never chances, no matter how oppressed they call themselves.

This x100

So it would be trans women drivers for trans women. That would be an interesting journey.

Anyone remember Travis Alabanza's crowdfunding for a similar trans "femme" transport service? It didn't exactly set the world on fire. I remember that there was a crowdfunder for Fair Play for Women at the same time which led to TRA outrage that they had raised so much more than Travis's much more worthy cause.

It also caused quite a Twitter storm when lots of pompous woke men said that "cis people" should support the Travis crowdfunder as they have no idea what it is to feel afraid. Was quite funny.

Here's one of the tweets I mentioned, I don't think he used to work at PN then but he does now:

twitter.com/ryanjohnbutcher/status/942714839109128192?s=20

Anyone remember Travis Alabanza's crowdfunding

Now now, Eresh, play fair. It's really, really hard to get people to support crowdfunders.

Take Maya Forstater for example.
She only managed to double her initial £30,000 target which was reached in 8 hours; and had to make do with blowing past £65,000 in 72hours. Poor Maya.

Like I say, its tough to get people to donate in the things they really believe in.

Fine with me. Nothing stopping them for crowdfunding for their own DV services and shelters so they can stay out of women only spaces then is there?

Doesn’t seem a particularly commercial proposition to me. Is there enough custom? Spread sufficiently across the day within a small enough geographic area?

So a group of vulnerable people have a service to ensure they are safe travelling and you think that's a bad idea?

Fucking hell.

So a group of vulnerable people have a service to ensure they are safe travelling and you think that's a bad idea?

Nope. We all think it’s a great idea, but we’re also aware that they demand to be treated as trans when it suits, but also demand access to female spaces and refuse to allow us the same protections.

So a group of vulnerable people have a service to ensure they are safe travelling and you think that's a bad idea?

If you genuinely think that is what my OP meant (or said), then you do you. Nice try at the derailing though. You'll get points for that.

So a group of vulnerable people have a service to ensure they are safe travelling and you think that's a bad idea?

No I think we all agree women should have access to single sex services to ensure their safety, and female-only taxis sound like a good idea.