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Special trans taxi services to keep them safe

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/09/2019 13:52

Hey BBC, where's our front-page promoted article and video interview about all the things women have done for and by each other, for centuries, to stay safe in public? No?

The "look at poor ickle us suffering from these things nobody has ever had to worry about before" is so infuriating. We have been living this shit forever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49516092/the-taxi-service-trying-to-keep-trans-people-safe

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PurpleCrowbar · 05/09/2019 21:21

On a public omnibus?

I thought we were discussing whether it'd be ok for a private hire firm to offer 'trans only' cabs?

& no one was objecting to that?

How did men on buses get involved?

AnyOldPrion · 05/09/2019 21:21

I chose to set up my own female only taxi service, I would be disallowed by the council who looks very dimly on such fancy ideas.

Danger, whatever you do, don’t set it up on Canada and mention to anyone that it’s a women’s service. You can bet your life a Yanivalike will be calling you shortly, and if you refuse to provide a service you’ll be in court before you can say Jacinta Robinson.

bd67th · 05/09/2019 21:24

What about a lift? Are we going to make it illegal for a man and a woman who don't know each other to be in a lift together?

No, but we can mandate CCTV and a working emergency alarm in lifts. My employer mandates CCTV in all new lifts. Mandating CCTV in a taxi doesn't help when the driver can decide whether the camera is running.

Even if I can't demand a female driver from any taxi company for practical reasons, if a company decides to be female-only then they should have the right to do so and I will vote for them with my feet and wallet. I am willing to pay more for the safety. Women in Glasgow do not have that option.

Women are well-justified in worrying about the very real threat that male-bodied people pose to us. Attempts to play that threat down or claim that trans people have it worse, despite the stats to the contrary, constitute gaslighting.

Karkasaurus · 05/09/2019 21:25

It's not about who has it worse. It's not a competition. There are women in Egypt who have it worse than you. That doesn't invalidate your requirements.

Ereshkigal · 05/09/2019 21:29

Would you, as in Karka, ever say: "I would imagine anyone who is so frightened of transphobic taxi drivers that they won't get in a car with them has probably arranged their life so that it doesn't include any taxi journeys"? If not, why is it OK to say that about women who fear male drivers?

It's a good question, isn't it, Karkasaurus? Not exactly holding my breath for a good faith answer though.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 05/09/2019 21:30

It really is most odd how 2 posters have decided to make up what they wanted me to have said so they can give the answers they wanted to give.

Obviously everyone reading this has eyes and so can see that cunning plan though. But crack on if that's what you want.

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bd67th · 05/09/2019 21:34

What happens if everyone on the bus gets off except for you?

Some bus drivers do indeed rape. All the more reason for a female-only taxi service, so women can avoid these dangerous men.

Or what if everyone on the bus is a man?

Usually men who are strangers to each other police each other. This is in sharp contrast to male peer groups, e.g. sports teams and military units, who will encourage each other and commit gang rapes.

it's definitely not illegal in the UK to advertise female drivers.

The reason cited in Glasgow wasn't the female drivers, but the wish to accept only women and children as passengers to safeguard the drivers.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 05/09/2019 21:34

Oh yes, I forgot to specifically say that I don't support bomb threats. You couldn't have just assumed that, of course.

Well no, not when earlier you said the credible bomb threat in Hastings wasn't important enough to matter; and only bomb threats made to all meetings would be enough (or words to that effect)

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 21:37

It really is most odd how 2 posters have decided to make up what they wanted me to have said so they can give the answers they wanted to give.

Yup

bd67th · 05/09/2019 21:41

It's not about who has it worse. It's not a competition.

And yet you sit on this thread telling us that the risk of a taxi driver saying something mean about a trans person is so awful that justifies trans-only taxis but the risk of rape and murder is less awful and doesn't justify women-only taxis.

Ereshkigal · 05/09/2019 21:42

Women in Glasgow do not have that option.

Wasn't it coincidentally Glasgow where BBC Children in Need funding was pulled from a rape crisis service allegedly because they didn't do enough for male survivors?

Yes. Yes it was. Just to make the point that exclusion of other groups is often considered "discriminatory". Even when the group it is intended to serve is traditionally disadvantaged, like women.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3043645/bbc-pulls-rape-crisis-glasgow-funding-male-survivors/

MIdgebabe · 05/09/2019 21:45

bits of this thread reads like someone is saying “men will fuck you if they want to so there is no point in trying to avoid it” which seems pretty daft. Or threatening and nasty.

Karkasaurus · 05/09/2019 21:47

I don't think it should be legally enforceable that female drivers are available on demand. I don't think there shouldn't be a service for female only drivers. It's the legal point I'm concerned about.

Ereshkigal · 05/09/2019 21:52

So if you book a trans taxi, and they don't have any trans people available at that time it's ok for Dave down the pub to do it? He's a registered taxi driver, after all.

Or wasn't that what you meant by women being able to expect a female driver from the female only service they've booked?

ItsGoingTibiaK · 05/09/2019 21:58

New York had a female-only taxi service 5 years ago, with considerable press coverage at the time.

news.google.com/search?q=sherides+taxis+new+york

There are numerous other female-only taxi services around the world, including this one in South London.

news.google.co.uk/search?q=annisacars

This whole thread seems to be based on comparing something that's happening in New York with something that happened in Glasgow, while ignoring everything else.

bd67th · 05/09/2019 22:08

This whole thread seems to be based on comparing something that's happening in New York with something that happened in Glasgow, while ignoring everything else.

Correct, and also despairing of the startlingly crap attitude of Glasgow city council towards the safety of female drivers by not allowing them to refuse male passengers, which has a knock-on effect of reducing the number of female drivers available when a female passenger wants one.

Karkasaurus · 05/09/2019 22:11

As long as Dave is a decent guy, yeah I think that would be alright. It says trans friendly, not only trans drivers.

bd67th · 05/09/2019 22:16

And also also highlighting that this is something that women have done for decades with little fanfare, but now trans people are doing it it's headline material according to the increasingly biased BBC. This is a double standard on the part of our state broadcaster, and that should worry anyone, they are meant to be impartial.

Datun · 05/09/2019 22:18

What happens if everyone on the bus gets off except for you?

Today 21:17 Karkasaurus

Or what if everyone on the bus is a man?

Well precisely. You appear to be arguing in the exact same way as women here, that men pose a threat. Trans or otherwise.

ItsGoingTibiaK · 05/09/2019 22:19

@bd67th I specifically linked to the extensive news coverage when a female-only taxi service was launched in New York in 2015. I haven't been able to find any coverage about this trans service other than the single video on the BBC site?

PurpleCrowbar · 05/09/2019 22:19

It's not about who has it worse. It's not a competition. There are women in Egypt who have it worse than you. That doesn't invalidate your requirements.

This has absolutely fuck all to do with you wanting - if that's what you want - a taxi service run for & about trans customers.

Go for it. You'll get nothing but encouragement here.

bd67th · 05/09/2019 22:29

It says trans friendly, not only trans drivers.

How do they gauge trans friendliness? There's a male person who I suspect strongly of being trans (the skirts, earrings, handbag and makeup give me the hint) who sometimes gets the same train as me and I would never harm nor threaten him/her/them/squirrel nor would I challenge his/her/their/squirrelself's presentation choices because unsolicited comments about someone's appearance are rude. Isn't that the extent of trans-friendliness needed to drive a taxi: not to threaten and to be polite?

Karkasaurus · 05/09/2019 22:29

Is this thread encouragement then?

CatalogueUniverse · 05/09/2019 22:32

What happens when all the bus passengers get off?

Um the driver wouldn’t stop to let me off, and drove to a secluded location and sexually assaulted me.

Thanks for asking.

bd67th · 05/09/2019 22:33

ItsGoingTibiaK Exactly: no other news outlet in the UK thinks that a new taxi company in the US is important, why would they? Yet the BBC does.