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Thousands of children forced to grow up in shipping containers

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stumbledin · 22/08/2019 00:16

More than 210,000 children are estimated to be homeless across England, with thousands growing up in shipping containers, office blocks and B&Bs, often miles away from their schools, research shows.

Politicians and campaigners have accused ministers of a “catastrophic failure” to address the housing crisis after a study by the children’s commissioner found the true number of children living without a permanent home was considerably higher than government estimates.

Ms Longfield said: “Something has gone very wrong with our housing system when children are growing up in B&Bs, shipping containers and old office blocks.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-homeless-shipping-containers-office-blocks-housing-a9071726.html

What an indictment of the UK that in 21st century children are being put through this. And presumably this means that many single women have found themselves with no other option than to accept this is the only option they have.

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PencilsInSpace · 23/08/2019 13:56

Also over half of homeless families are in employment so those who think the solution is just to ship them all out of the capital need to come up with plans for who's going to sweep the streets, serve the fries and wipe the arses in London once anyone with a shitjob can no longer afford to live there.

PencilsInSpace · 23/08/2019 14:02

Helena, now they've let the Aylesbury estate turn into a derelict shit hole, guess what? They're using some of it as temporary accommodation while it awaits demolition.

www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/exclusive-newborn-had-to-be-taken-home-to-aylesbury-flat-with-neither-heating-nor-hot-water/

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 14:12

YY Pencils Years ago they rubbished the Aylesbury saying it was full of drugs and crime . The residents however did not recognize the estate they lived on that was being rubbished in the press. That was the start.

An estate local to me ....the Hatfield in Witham had very similar written about it in our local press recently The fb comments underneath from residents were interesting. They did not recognize what was being said about the estate at all .

I bet i can guess whats coming next.

Deathraystare · 23/08/2019 15:11

George Clarke pointed this out about the council house scandal and pointed out that in Redbridge, Greater London that they had these shipping containers (they are in fact in a lot of other places). Was very envious of the housing estate in Austria, where there was no social stigma and the place was lovely.

Goosefoot · 23/08/2019 16:39

i mostly see posts blaming it on pensioners not moving

How is that logic supposed to work?

PencilsInSpace · 23/08/2019 16:56

Pensioners are not subject to the bedroom tax so there is no financial penalty for them if they carry on living in their 3 bed council house when their family have flown the nest.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 23/08/2019 17:23

Goosefoot

i mostly see posts blaming it on pensioners not moving

How is that logic supposed to work?

It is logical to a point.
There's only so many properties.
If a family with 2 parents and 3 kids move into a 4 bed house, kids grow up and move, parents stay there then the next family with 3 kids can't move into it.

The logic fails tho because of the lack of 1 bedroom properties for the parents to downsize too.

My mum and step dad live in a 3 bed, they'd happily downsize but the council they're with offer them bedsits.. not.many 70+ year olds want to live in a bedsit and leave the home they've had for 20+ years.

gotmychocolateimgood · 23/08/2019 17:30

The immigrant village made of shipping containers on Years and Years seemed shocking. This is actually happening.

Goosefoot · 23/08/2019 17:32

Ah, I see. Yes, I ca see that could be frustrating all round, it would be ideal to have people move out of properties that were now too big for them. But you need some place for them to go, preferably in the same area!

I can't help thinking empty apartments owned by people who don't live in the country are a bigger issue.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 23/08/2019 17:45

Goosefoot

I'll tell you the biggest issue.. it's not empty properties.. it's not landlords.. it's not.councils..

It's society.

I'm this country too.many people look down on the poor. They don't look at their excess and wish to share it, they demonise the poor and want to punish them.
Look at the benefits system. It's not designed to help, it's designed to punish.
It's all designed to instill fear into claimants..
Look at the media.. it's not there to show a sympathetic view of reality, it's there to look down on the poor and make people believe that benefit claimants have big TVs and smoke and just pump out babies.
Look at the housing market. Landlords now have homes with mortgages on Buy to let, they set rent at high as they can and get housing benefit / tax money to pay for it.. basically doing nothing but collecting tax money in one hand, Passing it to the bank with the other.. yet they get a house at the end of it for nothing.

I could go on.

But you head to any thread here that mentions benefits, social housing etc. You'll see the attitudes on show.. they should be ashamed of themselves, but society is geared up to agree with them.

"Unemployed are jobless scum that workers have to pay a fortune for.."
(Which is bullshit as Unemployment is one of the lower welfare bills...pensions and in work welfare is far higher...)

Natsku · 23/08/2019 18:46

Seeing the pictures of what the containers are like is shocking, how can that be considered acceptable?

Finland was mentioned earlier - I'm in Finland and I've been a homeless single mum escaping an abusive ex and I didn't get put in a shipping container or a B&B, first place I went to was a nice flat with it's own sauna (admittedly very small town so not the same as it would be in a city) then I moved and was offered a council flat that was decent even if the neighbours weren't (and when I complained I was moved to a house).

Here they have the housing first initiative for homeless people, it has really helped reduced the homelessness problem (there are still homeless people, some by choice, others not, but it's much less than it was)

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 20:54

Some of the housing lost/demolished by regeneration was originally built for the elderly.

Cressingham Gardens in Lambeth was completed in 1978.

306 homes were built including smaller units for elderly and disabled people and couples as well as family homes.

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 20:57

Yy MonkeyToes pensioners cant be expected to move to a bedsit

Or a one bedroom place on the fourth floor.

woman19 · 23/08/2019 22:40

@Carpetburns those shipping containers are like saunas in the summertime.

Heat in the metal containers is a major issue, says Christine. When the temperature hit 34C a few weeks ago, she says they could hardly breathe in the upper floor apartment. She ended up sleeping with her son outside on the walkway

These places don't seem to be abiding with any building regs. Like Grenfell and the flats opposite Grenfell in which a fire on 12th floor happened today. No sprinklers or alarms in the flats whic had the fire today.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7387233/Fire-breaks-balcony-flat-block-opposite-Grenfell-Tower.html

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/23/they-just-dump-you-here-the-homeless-families-living-in-shipping-containers

The poor; usually young women with kids are being deliberately put in very dangerous buildings.

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 22:43

@woman19 its disgusting. If they were housing animals or transporting animals in those temps there would be a huge outcry.

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 22:47

£270 a week rent for a fucking shipping container???????!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shock[ Angry

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 23/08/2019 22:48

£270 to live in a hot box that Steve McQueen should be in chucking his baseball up the fucking walls.

HelenaDove · 23/08/2019 22:49

£270 a week to live in a fucking cramped sweat box and risk heat stroke.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 23/08/2019 22:51

Is sickening and greedy. The whole.country is fucked. Damned government couldn't give a shit and yet people won't vote.for.labout because Corbyn has a beard.. cunts.

woman19 · 23/08/2019 22:54

We worked so hard to get housing regs and rent laws to stop this sort of thing.

Was in a city at w/e with loads of well built, large, good quality, old fashioned corporation houses. Probably sold off now. Sad

These containers and the grenfell flats are a death trap.

It's plain evil.

stumbledin · 24/08/2019 01:03

The whole issue is the creation of a (false) shortage of housing for no other reason than to create over priced housing. This is how capitalism works. Just like diamonds. If the released all the diamonds available on to the market you would be picking them up for pennies.

This is part of the Tory agenda. Asset stripping the state to line the pockets of exploitative capitalist. Think of the amount of HB going into private pockets and SOLELY because this country chose NOT TO INVEST in housing.

And so many people have now grown up totally ignorant of the real role of social housing. The era of "never had it so good" was not because a tiny % of the population was becoming filthy rich but because society chose to create a system that allowed more people to have a better standard of living.

Prefabs had nothing to do with the 60s. They were a well thought out solution to the real housing crisis at the end of WWII. They were family homes. They had gardens (partly assuming people would grow their own vegetables) and were so well built that they exceeded by decades their original short term purpose. www.prefabmuseum.uk/content/history/design-and-architecture

On top of everything else as a society we seem to have totally lost the ability to do any job where people are invested in their work. There used to be standards that meant you couldn't claim a house had a double bedroom unless it could fit certain items of furniture. But guess what - the tories abolished it because they said people would be prepared to live in rabbit hutches if it was their own. So all this aspiration to buy is actually a con because most modern housing is not only shoddy, but the space provided is actually what was previously illegal. But we have become so dumb that if tv life style programmes tell us we should aspire to that we do.

I honestly despair at how passively we are driven by misleading advertising and reactionary news outlets.

And all this talk about a container could be okay. Of course it isn't okay. And even if it was for say a month, the problem is it is always longer than that in a hostile anti social environment. And no I dont mean the people but living on an industrial estate.

And why are these loathsome speculators able to do this? Because the Tories have said that you dont have to get planning permission to convert offices into accommodation.

And then there are those malicious stories about pensioners. There has just been a report that pensioners are now poorer than they were in the 1980s. And guess what, the UK is the worst in Europe.

Look at this story of a single woman who at the age of 61 ended up sleeping in a phone box even though she was in work. www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/woman-full-time-job-slept-2534028

We need a government that will enforce higher rates of pay, and bring down the cost of housing. As someone said up thread. We should nationalise all the houses and flats unoccupied and make them available to people who dont have a home.

We need towns and cities that are made up of people with a range of backgrounds and jobs. If London just becomes somewhere for the super rich no one will be around to do the shit work, because even if they wanted to do the work by commuting in from some remote area they couldn't afford the fares.

What we are living in is the consequences of letting market forces set the standard.

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HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 01:14

YY @stumbledin Agree

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 01:22

The 1944 (Temporary Accomodation) Act committed 150 million pounds to the building programme 156,623 prefab homes were built and were still in use decades later. They were very good quality.

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 01:24

*SOME were still in use decades later.

GreenTulips · 24/08/2019 01:47

We need a government that will enforce higher rates of pay, and bring down the cost of housing

Yes a decent wage to get people off work related benefits so employers pay a living wage. With actual pay rises. The minimum wage has done a lot of people a lot of harm combined with work related benefits combined to ensure the poor stay poor.