Two trans journalists quit The Guardian, citing transphobia

[Popchyk]

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/two-transgender-employees-quit-guardian-transphobia

Lawsuits against The Guardian to follow, no doubt.

The article is quite funny in its po-faced declarations of transphobia (and no evidence whatsoever to back them up).

That's what happens when you indulge, indulge, indulge.

They turn on you. They always turn on you.

Look at A Challenor and the Green Party, after everything the Greens did for the Challenors. Challenor quit, citing transphobia.

Can you imagine being so (I was genuinely going to say cocksure but maybe not in this context!) confident that your personal opinions and insecurities (cf the whole denying my humanity) should trump everyone else's, that you'd stake your job on it?

Such assuredness is a very male socialised trait, women are much more circumspect.

Definitely a lesson in boundaries going on.

Journalists are meant to be impartial surely. If they want to push their own agenda join a student rag.

The Guardian had been seriously crap for a long time - I read a copy a while ago and was shocked at how one sided some of the pieces were, how they spectacularly missed key points and just how badly written it was.

Such assuredness is a very male socialised trait, women are much more circumspect.

Oh yes, I've been having an existential crisis this morning after I gently asserted some boundaries around work and being the fall back childcare option for the extended family.

What I want to know is, why did this person assume that the Guardian would not publish anything on the subject from the point of view of women's rights?
Was it an agreed editorial policy?

Popchyk the Times is getting sued by a former trans employee too isn't it?

It's the assumption by males that the women capitulate with no fuss. It plays out over and over again in many contexts.

Popchyk has a point - it's the people who are supposed to be on your side who get all the crap.

There's a Twitter thread at the moment asking men if they would have sex with trans women and, if not, why not. Most are saying No, and giving strongly-worded answers, on the lines of "trans women aren't women".

Favourite so far:

"I like women to be like my coffee. No penises."

But will these men get even a tenth of the aggro that lesbians get if they say they won't sleep with trans women? We all know the answer to that.

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Journalists are meant to be impartial surely. If they want to push their own agenda join a student rag.

No not necessarily. They can have special interests and political leaning.

But they are supposed to understand following the evidence and the importance of integrity.

The problem is the emergence of opinion columnists who think they are journalists and don't understand the principles of journalism and just spout any old bollocks cos they believe it.

This isn't journalism.

The thing is that the Times has done very well in the last couple of years by encouraging proper journalism - and this appeals particularly to educated liberals - the target market of the Guardian.

I saw @pressgazette had circulation figures for the Times a few weeks back and they were really going up with the number of subscriptions they had.

Opinion writing, doesn't draw in readers in the same way in that demographic. I suspect it may start to wane as you can go on twitter for that shit.

And they’re taking this to court? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I hope the trans employees do take the Guardian to court...

The chickens have come home to roost. This is your doing Guardian. Get in the bed you made for yourself.

This is what happens when you have too many opinion columnists, rather than journalists writing for a newspaper. If they don't understand what the purpose of a newspaper is for - its not just to promote your individual world view, but to examine and criticially think about things from different view points - and THEN present an argument based on substance to support what you are trying to say.

THIS with massive fucking bells on.

The problem is the emergence of opinion columnists who think they are journalists and don't understand the principles of journalism and just spout any old bollocks cos they believe it.

This isn't journalism

Hell yes. This pair reminded me of Tommy Robinson's ridiculous 'Jailed for Journalism' t-shirt.

Yes, Red.

But The Times has never embraced transgender ideology (like The Guardian has). The Times has done its job as a serious newspaper and has reported on issues of public interest.

This of course is transphobic according to some, but what's the point of complaining to The Times? The Times won't genuflect and cave in and say that they'll hire twelve transgender columnists and try to do better.

The TRAs of course have gone after Times columnists (Janice Turner and Andrew Gilligan notably), but The Times has stood by their journalists. And the TRAs don't want to bang their heads against that particular wall.

There's a reason why the TRAs constantly go after The Guardian and not The Daily Mail. The Daily Mail couldn't give a toss about what the trans cult and their allies say. The Daily Mail will never cave, so what's the point of going after them in the first place?

It is because The Guardian always folds, always appeases, always accommodates. And that makes a complete mockery of what is supposed to be a serious news organisation.

The mess that The Guardian has found itself in is entirely of its own making.

The mess that The Guardian has found itself in is entirely of its own making

Agree! You do wonder how much longer the publication can continue to survive with so many inherent contradictions. That's the problem with being so 'woke' and liberal-lefty...eventually you're crucified by your own artifices and 'positions' on things.

Organisations like the BBC, the Greens, the Lib Dems, the Labour Party, The Guardian - they are the ones who are having all the hassle. Since they are the ones who kowtow to the ideology. And whatever they do, it will never be good enough

This too!

I hope the trans employees do take the Guardian to court...

The more these issues do end up in court, the better.......the narcissistic preciousness of so many of these complaints needs to be held up to the light, and to proper scrutiny.

This is what happens when you have too many opinion columnists, rather than journalists writing for a newspaper.

Also this!

And imagine working for the Grauniad and believing it's so transphobic that you have to leave and take it to court.

Is water transphobic yet?

Eugh the horrible trf scum at the Guardian published this just yesterday. Clear transphobia*

That was Guardian Australia, like Guardian USA a rather different kettle of fish from our own dear British Guardian. Australia looks like it's trying to vie with Canada as woke central.

Agree with @RedToothBrush about the purposes of the press but would say that over and above those things, which are noble aims and values, media outlets such as the guardian exist to sell newspapers and make a profit. Maybe the Guardian has realised that the majority public view, even the 'progressive' or left wing/ left leaning view, is not necessarily absolute alignment with the TRA lobby's message. This is encouraging, let's hope they see the market respond positively to critical, investigative and well-researched journalism.

Ha ha.

Pound to a penny Sanchez Manning and other sensible reporters working for the Mail sometimes roll their eyes at some of the more Dacre-like editorials. By hey, it's a job and has anyone the right to expect their values to align perfectly with those of their employers. (Or indeed to align completely with the newspaper they read.)

Parallel stories, though not about trans issues:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7357201/Google-whistleblower-reveals-tech-giant-DOES-blacklist-news-sites.html

www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/14/youtube-bria-kam-chrissy-chambers-lesbian-vloggers-lgbtq-discrimination

Note Mail online seems to have lost significant traffic since Youtube changed its algorithm in June. (And I was completely unable to find the parallel DM story about YouTube via Google whereas the Guardian popped up first.) Not something that might worry many here, except say, if the same happened to MN due to a perceived "transphobia". Power is being wielded by people who are largely unaccountable. If the Guardian feels under pressure to change its editorial policies to suit some members of staff, this will be more evidence for something that is very worrying indeed.

I wonder who the second resignation was, might it be Freddy McConnell, the trans man who lost their case for anonymity and wanted to be registered as their child's father despite giving birth to it? What was the outcome of that case, does anyone know?

Agree with @RedToothBrush about the purposes of the press but would say that over and above those things, which are noble aims and values, media outlets such as the guardian exist to sell newspapers and make a profit

Thats why the press has to reflect public opinion otherwise it does not sell newspapers.

Given that what was it something like only 14% (I forget exact figure off the top of my head) of the public believe that women's sport should include transwomen (and that was amongst all age groups) it has a bit of an issue and the employee that Victoria fell out with is hardly holding an out there or extreme view...

Their boss must have done a little song and dance when they handed in their notice

Yes indeed @RedToothBrush