Yaniv has a period

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Thankyou Michelle. I am probably just highly sensitive due to circumstances and on going abuse issues in my life. Which as I say I believe is made far worse by people like JY.

Thankyou girldownunder

I really dont know though. I came across this thread because I've been looking on the internet for answers myself.

If that had been me I'd have waxed and torn all the skin off.

@Loubot I'm sorry for what your partner has been through.

Are you in favour of self ID? Taking away the gender recognition process will lead to more batshit predators like Yaniv being allowed access to women's spaces and being legally declared as female.

This is exactly what posters here have been campaigning against. JY is a women under the rules of the trans community. You can't cut him out because he doesn't fit your narrative.

Which as I say I believe is made far worse by people like JY

Yes Lou I definitely think people propping up JY’s clearly skewed boundary encroachments are really affecting abuse victims and creating scope for future victimhood.

It was interesting that a transsexual in Canada that was linked on another thread emphasised how she did not see JY as predatory but rather just “creepy” but some of JYs behaviour is very much classic grooming behaviour and well beyond creepy but JY cannot see it because the trans narrative hides it from him.

An awful lot of abusers have limited insight or capacity to have insight into their behaviour due to some mental deficiencies they have, nobody anywhere is helping victims and potential victims of abuse by society not being clear on these boundaries either. That for me is the bigger part of this issue than JY who to me is clearly mentally unstable.

We both do think that JYs type are going to get bigger over here in the UK like it has in America though.

My partner told me its be cause they have an agenda against women and that's why the courts there will go along with them and ours will eventually too because itll take a lot of power away from women, and further divide people for the benefit of rich powerful men.

Sorry for the slow replies btw my phone is cracked lol I'm just catching up from ginger kitty I'm just super slow

My partner told me its be cause they have an agenda against women and that's why the courts there will go along with them and ours will eventually too because itll take a lot of power away from women, and further divide people for the benefit of rich powerful men

Yep I do think that is why so many men haven’t called a halt to this yet.

I do hate the language and images used in the comments on Yaniv’s threads though. I think she’s despicable, but there is no need for all the whale/fat/ugly comments or the vomit emoticons. Not a good lokZ

*look

“My partner is pre op trans (mtf). I'm aware that probably makes me very much unwelcome here,“

It’s very sad that you feel you would be unwelcome here- the opposite is the case......

@ArnoldWhatshisknickers this is what I don’t understand about all of this. It wreaks of mental illness not being dealt with appropriately. The government probably has a vested interest in not calling this a mental health issue as the costs would probably be too great to deal with if it all fell under that umbrella in the health service. It’s very very sad.
I always think of my own anorexia. When I was ill I would believed that I should not eat and was eating enough but the more I thought this the more . I believed that I was completely normal and getting along just nicely. Everyone else was questioning my behaviours but I was convinced I was right.

This really reminds me of the people suggesting the strange things on the link. They probably genuinely believe what they’re saying and having scores of people applaud you for something damaging yourself and others is a disaster, it backs up what you think is ok when it really isn’t. If I had a twitter account full of people saying wow you’ve lost another stone yay, I know where I’d have ended up and it wouldn’t be me getting better that’s for sure. I find the whole scenario very very sad.

Gingerkittycat - In all honesty, my partner and I have been so wrapped up in ourselves we dont know an awful lot about it. I am planning to read into it and thanks to your lovely replies to me I do feel better about posting here in future so i will definitely come back with a more informed in depth answer somewhere at some point.

On the face of it, If it's as simple as ticking a box and accessing vulnerable peoples spaces unquestioned, then I really dont agree with it.

Even without the predatory opportunities,I dont see how that is helpful to the people who's identity issues co exist with impulsive behaviour for example.

I believe in supporting people into a healthier way of living with their identity, however that identity was formed. I dont think that support should include a free pass to behave in the appalling manner JY does. And that's exactly what he seems to have been given.

Lazydaisies I think he is mentally unstable too. I'm not saying he isnt trans but someone somewhere needs to separate that from the actual deluded, psychotic behaviour.

Thankyou Bertra. As I said its probably my own sensitivity and insecurity at the moment

They probably genuinely believe what they’re saying and having scores of people applaud you for something damaging yourself and others is a disaster, it backs up what you think is ok when it really isn’t

Absolutely scrumptious. Personally I think it is really unfair on JY too. I think JY is being really let down by people all around him who should know better. Forget those who have fallen lock, stock and barrel into the trans narrative but those who haven’t need to start speaking up. Slowly but surely the push back needs to happen. Yes to dignity, yes to kindness, yes to compassion but no every time to delusion.

You also won't find anyone here who won't agree that what happened to your partner is absolutely and utterly unacceptable.

I believe in supporting people into a healthier way of living with their identity, however that identity was formed. I dont think that support should include a free pass to behave in the appalling manner

In a nutshell. Add to that a requirement that single spaces for women who need single sex spaces should be retained in addition to supporting people with identity needs and providing additional spaces and you've pretty much nailed the MN position.

We do not care if you accept us, we dont care if you think our sense of reality is warped or deluded. We conduct our lives in a private modest way. We are good hearted people. We dont wish to force ourselves on anyone we mainly ask to be left alone. I think that if you stick around Loubot you will find that almost all MNers who post here on this topic will 100% support you in doing just that!

It helps of we keep on saying that transpeople are no the issue, per se but TRAs very much are and TRAs like Yaniv are just the most perfect example of why.

I do think that each and every trans person has a warped sense of reality, that is the very basis for dismorphia after all. But as each and every trans person I know has absolutely no interest in shouting "Here I am. I am beautiful and brave, worship me" their delusion is of no consequence to anyone but themselves and the people who love them!

In all honesty, my partner and I have been so wrapped up in ourselves we dont know an awful lot about it. PLEASE do come back here when you have. We can help explain it, discuss it, help you laugh at it and not fear it! I have a ftm friend who just married my boss, hetero female. They too are just now seeing the very bloody scary shit that TRAs are spouting 'in their name'. They are horrified and it has scared them so much they have recently deleted all their social media accounts.

The thing with the toilet thing is, I think if a Male born person in distress (trans or not), who didnt feel safe in the mens, and was genuine and open and non threatening actually came into the womens toilets looking for some sort of escape and help from whatever has scared them, I dont know a single woman who wouldnt help a genuine person like that.

I dont see the exclusion part of it at all. I go in the mens if I'm desperate and cant find the womens. I did it several times last week because I had a kidney infection and it was that or pee my pants.

I dont think its exclusionary to have predominantly female spaces because I credit most women with enough intelligence and compassion to help a genuine person in distress anyway.

I couldn't help notice Katie Montgomery has commented on that Twitter thread. Katie thinks that this case is being used to stigmatise trans people. I'm no longer on Twitter, but Katie appeared in almost every pile on involving Glinner and GC women in the past year when they tried to highlight the dangers of Self ID and people like Yaniv. They are exactly the type of trans activist that should be taking a good hard look at their behaviour at the moment, but instead they seem to be doubling down on claims of transphobia.

I dont think its exclusionary to have predominantly female spaces because I credit most women with enough intelligence and compassion to help a genuine person in distress anyway.

That's a wonderfully put point.

The thing with the toilet thing is, I think if a Male born person in distress (trans or not), who didnt feel safe in the mens, and was genuine and open and non threatening actually came into the womens toilets looking for some sort of escape and help from whatever has scared them, I dont know a single woman who wouldnt help a genuine person like that.

But how are women supposed to know who is 'genuine' and who isn't?

Apologies Loubot I may have misunderstood your point. I do think the 'genuine' thing can be tricky to navigate though.

I m certain this is a parody account.

I’m not being snarky, just not quite understanding - why would a trans person who had been threatened in the men’s toilets run into the ladies toilets looking for help in their distress? Help from whom? Better to approach a security guard, no?