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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

OP posts:
Gingernaut · 11/08/2019 14:29

Domestic violence.

The biggest killer of women and girls are their own families and partners.

They are either never born (sex selective abortion), dumped or killed shortly after birth or regarded as their families' property until it's time to marry.

Reasons for their own family killing them have been falling in love with the wrong guy, marrying the wrong guy, being gay or even just owning a mobile phone.

Reasons for their in laws killing them include unsatisfactory dowry payments, disagreeing with their sons' choice of bride or producing a baby girl.

Reasons for their husbands killing them include getting raped, wanting another wife, resenting an arranged marriage or 'just' general domestic violence.

barelove · 11/08/2019 14:33

Gingernaut

That was a distressing list of terrible things done to women. Is there anything you are doing already, or can suggest others might do to help prevent these things happening?

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 14:35

Helmetbymidnight

You are a stuck record but well done on your counting skills. What point you are trying to make still escapes me- or maybe you really were so dim you thought the OP was referring to one, singular but unidentified woman.

DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 14:42

Thinking about it, the OP would also refer to 'man' constantly and not 'men', given that earlier use of 'woman'.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/08/2019 14:42

ive said that i couldnt understand why the op had a problem with differentiating with women and woman.

a problem ive never observed before.

op has since explained that the words sound the same to them and presumably to bespin too: they had both never previously noticed they are different words!

this is interesting to me as someone who likes, you know, words.

happy to continue replying to your posts.

barelove · 11/08/2019 14:48

I might be wrong here, but could Helmet's point be that it's reasonable to expect that on a thread supposedly written to support women, the op would be sensitive to the need to get the spelling of the key word correct? The fact that the op got it wrong so many times rang alarm bells that perhaps the intention of the thread might not have been to support women after all but be for some other purpose?

Two suggestions have already been put forward:
Virtue signalling - trans allies must be alright as they are sooo concerned about women's issues (not just trampling women's rights)
Making the gc feminists look like meanies for not supporting such a 'worthy' thread

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 14:55

Yes, because I dare to have an opinion that differs from the hive on MN

Honestly, Early, you're a lost cause. It's not a hive mind - it's putting women and girls before men without exception. I've given up hope that you'll ever understand it.

You can't centre women and girls by including XY, however they identify. You can't centre women and girls without considering the usually negative input of men. You can't achieve anything for women and girls by doing a quick Google and virtue-signalling links to charities for which you have not done due diligence.

Even on this, your own thread, you've been unable to react to pushback about your previous interactions on this forum or the dangers of Woke Saviourism by returning the thread to what you say you want it to be - the best interests of women and girls. Instead, you make it about yourself and how dreadfully mean everything is on FWR. You even ran to MNHQ to get them to move the thread instead of reflecting on critique, for heavens sake!

If you want the thread to right itself, I suggest you stop putting personal offence ahead of its topic and make a post that centres women and girls.

barelove · 11/08/2019 14:56

Personally, I'm a dreadful speller and am still able to write woman when I mean women. I rely heavily on spellcheck and obviously it doesn't pick this particular error up.

I'm grateful for the tolerance on this board that my spelling receives and I'm guessing that if it wasn't for the history and context here, Early's error would've passed without comment too.

RosesAndRaindrops · 11/08/2019 14:56

Can't help thinking if it was a so called GC poster that started this the thread would have gone a lot differently.

barelove · 11/08/2019 14:59

Can't help thinking if it was a so called GC poster that started this the thread would have gone a lot differently.

Erm..... yes, I think that's what we're all saying here Hmm

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 15:01

I'm not a GC poster. I'm a feminist poster. Jus' sayin'.

Maniak · 11/08/2019 15:02

I suggest you stop putting personal offence ahead of its topic and make a post that centres women and girls.

The thread is literally about issues facing women and girls worldwide. Or it was, until a bunch of people started derailing it for no apparent reason.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:07

SpartacusAutisticus I post under different names for the rest of MN so that precisely this doesn’t happen and so that I’m not ‘outed’

I considered posting this in my other name, but given that someone literally told me to go and start a thread on woman’s issues that matter to me this morning, I didn’t want to mix the two names up.

I hear a lot about ‘doxxing’ on mumsnet and I like being anonomys for that reason. I have children and a life, I don’t want my political views mixed up with the two.

I think that’s fair enough and I hope that we can all get back to discussing women and girls and the issues that face them.

We don’t need to turn every thread into a trans thread, there is no need.

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LangCleg · 11/08/2019 15:08

The thread is literally about issues facing women and girls worldwide. Or it was, until a bunch of people started derailing it for no apparent reason.

The reasons are apparent and have been explained, with clarity, multiple times. Did you mean to say reasons I don't like?

I posted in good faith several times early on in the thread. Cos I'm nice like that. I gave up when OP demonstrated she couldn't cope with pushback similar to that which she spends most of her time on FWR giving to others.

barelove · 11/08/2019 15:10

Or it was, until a bunch of people started derailing it for no apparent reason

It could look like that, but if you read the thread you'll learn that the op has a history of derailing and disrupting many, many other threads that has resulted in other posters being (imo) rightly suspicious of the motives of her posting this particular thread. Context is everything.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 15:10

The thread is literally about issues facing women and girls worldwide. Or it was, until a bunch of people started derailing it for no apparent reason.

I think the reasons for posters’ questions have been explained in the thread.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:12

If you want to discuss or debate things within the topic or posting of this thread then please do.

To keep going on and on about other threads is a pointless distraction, and comes across like you’re trying to silence me and my discussion around women’s rights that are important to me.

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Cascade220 · 11/08/2019 15:14

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 15:16

For the purposes of this thread, Early, can we assume that you’re talking about sex-based rights & protections for human females, & not including men who might choose to identify that way?

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 15:17

To keep going on and on about other threads is a pointless distraction, and comes across like you’re trying to silence me and my discussion around women’s rights that are important to me.

Genuine advice: reflect on what you said here and let it influence your FWR contributions going forward.

RosesAndRaindrops · 11/08/2019 15:17

Exactly, is it OK to bring up other threads now? Completely unrelated ones?
Always thought that was frowned upon

sackrifice · 11/08/2019 15:18

I considered posting this in my other name, but given that someone literally told me to go and start a thread on woman’s issues that matter to me this morning, I didn’t want to mix the two names up

Yesterday?

I thought it was because a few days back, you posted about 'mutilation' as some sort of weird gotcha [to have a pop at women who talk to other women who may or may not be right wing] then berated the person who responded for not knowing you meant FGM, and then you told them to educate themselves for not knowing that was what you meant, as if you think that they themselves had only just heard of it and were ignorant on the matter.

And then you posted this because FGM is usually carried out by women, not men and thus, all of the issues that women and girls face are not all to do with men, thus absolving men of having to do any work, and to virtue signal that all along, you have really been campaigning for women and girls, and you are showing that by posting a load of links to charities which may, or may not, because you haven't researched them, actually help women and/or girls out?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:19

my discussion around women’s rights that are important to me

Which ones are especially important to you? Which ones do you have something to add on?

Cos you seem to have picked all of them. Tricky to know where to start with a chat about that

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:20

Gingernaut devastating list.

KMEWO is an organisation that works with women from Kurdish and Middle Eastern communities in helping with domestic violence, employment and discrimination issues, housing and more.
www.kmewo.com/

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barelove · 11/08/2019 15:22

If you want to discuss or debate things within the topic or posting of this thread then please do.

To keep going on and on about other threads is a pointless distraction, and comes across like you’re trying to silence me and my discussion around women’s rights that are important to me.

Oh the hypocrisy! Grin

I look forward to seeing you follow this wonderful advice when posting yourself on all future threads Early

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