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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

OP posts:
Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:27

Why is it so so sad

There are loads of links and information

PurpleCrowbar · 11/08/2019 22:31

I think Earlywalker's most recent post is good, actually.

I live in a MENA country & she's bang on that FGM is cultural rather than necessarily associated with a particular faith. That's not recognised enough.

We still need to be able to have clarity re which class of people this is done to, as well at whose behest it's being done, though.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:36

Forgot to put that in usa there are reports of fgm being practiced in more extreme Christian sects, and not recent / immigrants afaik

So that's another issue entirely, if some groups are taking it up.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 22:40

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.

Bespin, the word you’re missing is women. And you know perfectly well why so many questions were asked.

galaxybrain · 11/08/2019 22:43

Sorry you didn't find the numerous links, personal stories, advice and information about good causes interesting enough to read, bespin. You must've missed your own ones off of your post by mistake, though?

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 22:43

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.

Perhaps you could have contributed something more feminist than a website that talks about child rape using the language of consensual sex? That might have helped the thread along.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 22:47

Early, StarFlowersWine for that last post. It’s really informative & eloquent.

We all know a lot of people don’t RTFT so maybe start another thread with that as the OP? Because it deserves to be read.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 22:47

Yes Early’s last post was good. In fact I think if you started with that, you might have had a different reception.

Early do you know if UK charities (NSPCC etc) are specifically trained in relation to FGM?

Bespin · 11/08/2019 22:55

I was telly hartened by the thread at the beginning of it, well apart from the grammar police. but coming back to it yes there are some great links I've just been reading a few. but it still ended up. talking about some trans stuff for no real reason.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 22:56

Just to clarify, the founder didn’t say “10 year old having sex,” but were quoted in an article with that heading. Abianda tweeted that article.

People questioned the language used - no response.

The founder did describe these girls as “orbiting around” the older male gang members.

As if it was all entirely voluntarily on their part - not that they were groomed and prostituted.

Police often struggle to see these girls (10+) and young women as victims.

So language matters.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 23:03

Thanks for your post Early. It raised some perspectives on FGM that I haven't heard discussed before. I'm so glad you didn't let your voice get shouted down.

barelove · 11/08/2019 23:04

maybe start another thread with that as the OP? Because it deserves to be read

Just caught up and agree with this ^^

This thread has morphed into something else and not everyone will get to see the informative fgm post.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 23:04

So in summary, I am unsure whether Abianda understands safeguarding. Based on a cursory look at their website, it sounds like they think a 10 yo can engage in “survival sex.”

They can’t. For the benefit of lurkers, and I know this is stating the obvious but a man or teenaged boy raped a 10yo girl and this is a criminal offence.

Hopefully Abianda has excellent safeguarding as any organisation working with this population really need it.

Again though - OP your post on FGM is great. I wonder if MN would add it to your OP? Would be good for everyone to see it.

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2019 23:06

I guess now we have to focus on things closer to home to where women and girls now are being asked to disclose their sexual abuse stories to YHA just to ensure that they don’t have to share a dorm with a random guy

That’s where we are know in this country.
What do we think about this ?

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2019 23:07

Raising awareness here

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:27

2BthatUnnoticed

if for one minute I thought you understood the complexity of this work or how it's carried out I would be worried.

I don't care if you don't want to like something I postedx but this social enterprise is doing work that very few people even know or care about with young people that are some of the hardest in the country to work with who often don't even want your help or take months of not years to fully engage at all. do not imply that they do not know how to work with these young girls because you have no idea how you would even start such work.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 11/08/2019 23:28

Made a wee donation to Freedom Charity, early. Thanks for the useful post.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:32

I don't wish to detail this importent thread but let's just address this.

I know this is stating the obvious but a man or teenaged boy raped a 10yo girl and this is a criminal offence

yes its a criminal offence, the police can not often prosecute even though they know it occurs because the young girls believe its there fault or that they wanted to do it such is the grooming involved. no one gives evidence becuse of the threats from the gang, the only way is to help the young person come to terms with what happened and if at the point they do that then you can start to look to press charges. the saddest thing is that even then they Dont want to give evidence for a whole number of reasons.

Ereshkigal · 11/08/2019 23:44

Sexual intercourse with a child 12 or under is automatically rape.

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 23:46

What? Thats not answering the point! the point is the language that the charity used to describe rape, and the girls who have been raped.
It's distressingly similar to the language used by the police about the victims of grooming gangs.
there have been child victims of grooming who have had their compensation cut because it was decided that they were complicit, even though they were children, and were groomed.

Organisations that purport to assist them should not use that language or replicate that dynamic.

Rape is is not a crime that is dependent on the victim giving permission to prosecute. A rape prosecution would not hinge on the testimony of a 10 year old. That is absolutely not how child rape prosecutions proceed and your comment could put victims off coming forwards.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:47

Ereshkigal

yes, yes it totally is rape would you like to explain how the police prosicute that when the young person does not disclose it for months or years afterwards and then will not testify in relation to it and there are no other witnesses who will also testify. no one argues its not rape, its just not something at is so Stright forwards. the young girls often don't see it like that.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 23:49

Bespin

Here’s the thing though. I understand that 10 yo girls do not have sex. They are raped.

Based on their own Twitter feed, Abianda seem slightly fuzzy on this, no?

I know of a 12 yo girl who was repeatedly raped, after the police were informed, because the police thought she was “having sex.”

Language matters. Perhaps Abianda has since clarified that the language used in that article was wrong?

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:51

the young person is often suffering the trauma of this and confronting them and telling them its rape is not at all helpful in getting them to understand what as happened to them. there is no evidence in these cases little or no forensic evidence that can be used. These are very closed worlds that very few people ever see.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 23:55

2BthatUnnoticed

I would think that they are trying to work with the young girls to help move them away from the gangs so they can start to address the issues. To do this you need to not challenge them but give them something that can replace what the gang is giving them. these young people have nothing and you want to take away the best thing they have from them, they have often built up this whole rose tinted world around the gang and care massively for the people that abuse them.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/08/2019 23:56

Some of us have worked directly with these young women and their stories are tragic - they are often abandoned and isolated by their family and community and the prosecutions (of which there have been hundreds) have been stressful and complex and at times involved girls moving city for their own protection.
Sammy Woodhouse (a Rotherham survivor) speaks publicly about her experiences and has posted on here in the past. She's a brave women

We're still not great at addressing these issues with children and young people - they are complex and multi faceted - but there has been a massive investment in training to address the previous inadequacies. All safeguarding boards have guidelines on organised and complex abuse:
Here are the London ones:
www.londoncp.co.uk/chapters/organised_complex.html

Because of all the previous failings there is now a very systematic response to these disclosures, managed at a senior level in all LAs.