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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:23

And then you posted this because FGM is usually carried out by women, not men and thus, all of the issues that women and girls face are not all to do with men, thus absolving men of having to do any work,

What an absolutely ridiculous assumption

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:23

KMEWO is an organisation that works with women from Kurdish and Middle Eastern communities

Are they any good Early? Do you know if they deal effectively with the issues they aim to tackle? Do they centre women and girls?

Or have we just received the benefit of a quick google?

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:29

This might help you Bernard

www.kmewo.com/services/campaigns/

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sackrifice · 11/08/2019 15:29

What an absolutely ridiculous assumption

Shock

It's what is looks like...

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 15:30

Personally, I'm a dreadful speller and am still able to write woman when I mean women. I rely heavily on spellcheck and obviously it doesn't pick this particular error up

If one posts on a phone it will auto predict. If I want type "wo" it fills in "women". If I type "pros" it fills in "prostitution" and so on.

this is interesting to me as someone who likes, you know, words

Do you think liking words makes you unique and special? As opposed to what perhaps you think others like? Pictograms? Hieroglyphics?

happy to continue replying to your posts

Crack on- nothing you have said makes any sense. I see your insistence on the correct words and spelling doesn't extend to grammar. The first letter in a sentence is usually capitalised. None of your sentences use capital letters. There are a number of errors in the paragraph below too.

ive said that i couldnt understand why the op had a problem with differentiating with women and woman

Here is the correct version

I've said that I couldn't understand why the op had a problem with differentiating between women and woman.

Petty of me I know but for someone who "likes words" you seem to have some difficulty with basic words. differentiating with women and woman makes no sense at all.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:34

This might help you Bernard

I'm not recommending them Early, you are. I assume you've done your due diligence?

Or are you just throwing up links to organisations you don't know anything about?

I think maybe you don't realise that many of the women who post here speak from a deep well of personal knowledge and experience (NB, not me). They don't just have a quick google and then get on with potificating. It's partly why seeing potentially productive threads turn into a 1,000 post car crash is so painful.

Melroses · 11/08/2019 15:37

Awareness is an effective form of campaigning

It is also an effective form of self-publicity, furthering one's charity/pr career and money making for advertising.

Grass roots stuff is far more effective. Lily Madigan for instance would do far more good donating a monthly selection of the products they do not require to the nearest food bank for those who do, than writing 'end period poverty' on a hand and photographing it for Twitter. I am sure P&G could be encouraged into providing donations for schools, for those on FSM and others that need them, like they used to do with formula milk - but this would probably require a bit of actual negotiating power, time and diplomacy.

I would much rather give money to projects where women on the ground are trying to make things happen, than to someone's/some large charity's self promotion exercise.

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 15:38

I don't recommend just googling, there was a poster recently ended up recommending Kids Company on the basis of a quick google, which on that particular thread was really not appropriate.

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 15:40

These are the registered details for KMEWO;

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1137055&subid=0

Melroses · 11/08/2019 15:40

there was a poster recently ended up recommending Kids Company on the basis of a quick google

Shock Shock Shock Blush

barelove · 11/08/2019 15:41

If I wasn't suspicious of the motivation for this thread, I would instead be just very confused by it. I'm used to seeing threads where op's raise a subject/question then share their knowledge/understanding/expertise on it. This thread has none of that. It just seems to have us all googling and sharing websites for women's charities and organisations who deal with women's issues.

Early, it would really help me and I'm sure everyone else if you'd answer Bernard's question:

Which ones (women's issues) are especially important to you? Which ones do you have something to add on?

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:41

The point of posting organisations is inspiration.

So that if people are interested in certain aspects, it provides further information on campaigns and organisations they can get behind.

On what is being done to improve these women’s lives, to give a better understanding.

Not everyone knows everything, I certainly don’t.

As I said my aim is awareness.

If you don’t like awareness, then please by all means, don’t engage.

If you think I’m ‘doing it wrong’ by all means, post here your way or start your own thread.

You don’t need to criticise everything I do because you don’t agree with me.

As I said before, if just one person takes action or becomes aware based on this post, it’s done it’s job.

And two people already said they have, so I’m happy and attempts to change that won’t work.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 15:41

Early, it would really help me and I'm sure everyone else if you'd answer Bernard's question

I’ve answered that a few pages ago if you’d like to have a look.

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2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 15:44

Well I’m confused. I’ve always thought OP was trans, which understandably meant a different perspective, but it seems more a right/left wing thing. The rule with derailers OP - pretend you don’t see their posts and respond to the rest. Engaging with derailers = further derailing. (Yes I know often people do, for people lurking and not reading.)

I donate directly to a friend who travels to a developing country and helps with a grassroots charity there (supporting building projects mainly).

The local ladies rule with an iron fist (each is raising about five kids, one biologically hers, the others were orphaned). Only single mothers are there (husbands dead or disappeared) and “no (adult) males in the village.”

I’d trust this friend with my kids so I certainly trust her with my money. It works well.

OP do you know much about abianda? Re my comments up thread.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:45

If you don’t like awareness

what, as a concept? erm, I'm OK with it

this kind of feels like someone in a bath of baked beans to raise money for 'awareness'

but what are you trying to do? why are you recommending organisations you seem to know nothing about?

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 15:46

Could you ask Mumsnet to amend the post saying a charity accepts used underwear? they dont but the correction doesn't appear until several pages later. I dont think it should be left to stand.

Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 15:47

But surely raising awareness is only an effective form of campaigning if you actually have a sound understanding of the issues. Otherwise it’s just bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Empty words.
Attempting to discuss women’s issues whilst ignoring the ongoing transgender issue is superficial at best, wilful ignorance at worst.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 15:49

The local ladies rule with an iron fist (each is raising about five kids, one biologically hers, the others were orphaned). Only single mothers are there (husbands dead or disappeared) and “no (adult) males in the village.”

I’d be interested in donating to them myself, 2B. But it’s also an excellent example of a charity that Early, Roses, Bespin etc might call transphobic because it recognises women & girls as a sex. That’s the conflict of interest that so many of us are asking about.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 15:53

It's partly why seeing potentially productive threads turn into a 1,000 post car crash is so painful.

Yes, isn't it.

I think it's very dispiriting to see posters constantly get shouted down for apparently not being knowledgable enough to be worthy of posting here. It's a public discussion forum and I, and I'm sure many others, come hear to learn about and discuss feminist issues with which I'm less familiar.

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 15:53

TheIneb I’d certainly not donate my own used underwear, but sometimes my kids grow out of theirs without wearing it much (4yo’s Spider-Man undies etc).

I’ve donated those to charity but should I not? I’d hate to think I’m creating work for someone Blush

barelove · 11/08/2019 15:56

but what are you trying to do? why are you recommending organisations you seem to know nothing about?

Bernard OP donates to CAMFED, gives her kids old toys to the local mother and baby unit and puts food in the local food bank. Much the same as any of the rest of us. I don't think she's professing to know anything much about any of the many organisations she's linking to. This thread is now becoming a resource thread for charities that (hopefully) help women.

The risk is that unless the charities and organisations have been researched, they might actually not be that good for women. I suppose the OP is leaving us to do that work ourselves.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 15:59

I think it's very dispiriting to see posters constantly get shouted down for apparently not being knowledgable enough to be worthy of posting here

good job I'm not doing that eh Chole ?

I asked early what she knew about the organisation she was recommending, and it appears that the answer was 'very little'

I know that some people (like Michael Gove for example) struggle with the idea of experts, that there are people who spend their lives learning about and doing certain things, and so when you are talking about those things, the stuff those people have to say is of greater value.

obviously it's incumbent upon you to check the credentials of any expert you care to trust. that's partly why TED talks should be approached with caution.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 16:00

The risk is that unless the charities and organisations have been researched, they might actually not be that good for women. I suppose the OP is leaving us to do that work ourselves

I guess so barelove

it seems strange though. I can google with the best of em. don't need someone else to do it for me really.

barelove · 11/08/2019 16:01

Strange indeed Bernard Grin

I mean, almost, why bother? Unless......

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 16:16

You can google most things you find on mumsnet Hmm

Does anyone know what we can do to help political prisoners imprisoned in their own countries?

Would writing to local MPs help?

I’m horrified at the idea of these women being inprisoned and tortured for fighting for their rights.

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