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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 11:55

Just stumbled across this thread myself ... and yes, it is very peculiar.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:57

Bernard

Sorry my thread is not good enough for some of you. Why don’t you start your own thread on raising awareness ‘the right way’?

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 12:05

I’m pretty Hmm about the point of raising awareness about such a wide range of issues all at once in such a shallow way tbh.

Quite aside from anything else it’s depressing and hard to take in

Pick something you’re knowledgeable about, something you’re actually able to raise awareness of in a meaningful way and give people the benefit of your experience and analysis

I don’t come here to be preached at, I come here to chat with clever, interesting, knowledgeable woman

It sounds like you do have detailed and interesting things to say about one or two of these issues, why not talk about them?

But obviously you can start a thread about whatever you wish, in the same way that I’m free to be Confused by it

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 12:09

There have been multiple threads about charities and especially the troubling culture within many of them that make due diligence essential before you donate.

For example, I won't donate to any charity that considers safeguarding an option.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 12:11

This thread is utterly depressing.

It would be nice if some of the posters who think they are too knowledgable for this shallow little thread actually shared some of that knowledge rather than just sneering (and bitching in side threads).

Cascade220 · 11/08/2019 12:15

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DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 12:15

Oh dear. I thought this was a board where women could gather and chat about women's issues, feminism and women's rights and we have a woman here using the word: "bitching" in reference to other women here. Not very pleasant, really.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:17

'Places like nail bars, car washes, prostitutes are often used for trafficking'

This is an area where women can't solve it without help.

It has been a 'no excuses'crime to pay for sex with someone trafficked for years, i don't think anyone has ever been prosecuted though (really pleased to hear if anyone knows different).

We also know from the punter sites (and other sources?) that punters don't tip off, even anon, when they suspect trafficking. Or just straightforward abuse.

Yes women can keep an eye in nail bars, car washes. But not sex trafficking, at its medium who pay for sex by a massive massive majority. The exhortion for women to keep an eye out for sex trafficking is the wrong target, it's men who need top so this, specifically punters.

Of course that's not going to happen as they don't see the women they pay for sex as fully human, in the most part. As real people with families feelings etc. Essentially they don't care.

I find it crass to lump in being forced to work as a prostitute with other forms of modern slavery, this is happening increasingly though, and pushed by the 'job like any other' crew.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 12:18

I'm sorry you think the word "bitching" is a gendered insult.

Feel free to insert whichever term you prefer for "talking about people behind their back in an unpleasant fashion".

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 12:18

Oh dear. I thought this was a board where women could gather and chat about women's issues, feminism and women's rights

I thought so too.

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:19

As its men who pay for sex, that should say, not medium.

Normalising prostitution as a job like any other and jnvisibilising the punters is not going to get us anywhere tbh.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 12:22

I agree Cohle

Fraggling woman can also help when they see it. I have known prostitutes and strip club workers as friends, who also took a while to realise some of the girls were not there by ‘choice’ obviously a lot of people won’t know these people but knowing the signs can help.

And nail bars/car washes are places frequently visited by a lot of us so Keeping vigilant.

Men of course need to do their part too, particularly with prostitution. Agree with you there.

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:23

Other issues.
In uk, austerity fell on the shoulders of women. Changes to the rules around legal aid, and also around employment tribunal charges, have led to large numbers of women essentially losing access to legal recourse when they need it.

CAB doesn't sound exciting but are a great org giving free legal advice. We donate to them plus some other orgs with more global remit.

Like others, I've had to cancel some at it turns out the people were sexually exploiting those they were supposed to help.

Oxfam, save the children are off my list. There are more of course.

DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 12:26

Feel free to insert whichever term you prefer for "talking about people behind their back in an unpleasant fashion".

Sorry, but I am at a loss to understand how any chat can ever be "behind someone's back" here, when MN is in the public domain and open to all.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:29

Men can 'do their part ' but they don't and they are the ones raping these women and children.

I imagine very few women are in a position to spot women who are trafficked for sex, everything I've read says that people who are trafficked are kept isolated. The idea that they're allowed out to make friends and chat to people goes against everything I've seen on the subject.

No, this one is on the men. They are the ones abusing these women and they often suspect or know it. There needs top be a campaign reminding them it's a no excuses crime, and giving a number they can give an anon report to. For those who might give a shit.

Don't normalize prostitution, don't frame sex trafficking as a womens issue that women must solve. Not doing those things is a feminist action. Putting the responsibility where it belongs.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 12:30

Political representation, land ownership, inheritance rights - shocking figures and again the data highlights the vital importance of the meaning of women remaining as biological women.

Exactly. Look at the example from the Fawcett Soc / 50-50 Parliament meeting of an all-male parliament being acceptable if half the members identified as women. If you buy into that nonsense, then the figures become meaningless.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:31

Grooming and other types of abuse we might be able to spot.

Modern slaves being forced to work as prostitutes, not so much.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 12:33

Sorry, but I am at a loss to understand how any chat can ever be "behind someone's back" here, when MN is in the public domain and open to all.

I got send a PM calling the OP "long standing irritant in the side of most feminist posters on the board" and this thread "sanctimonious" after my first post.

Which I thought was a profoundly unpleasant thing to do.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 12:38

Reason op has posted is to 'educate'the women on fwr about womens issues.

Op is worried that women on fwr are uninformed :(

Op is very kind to share knowledge.

It is a good thread though, lots of excellent charities mentioned.

Years ago there was a suggestion for a 'charity of the week'where posters could tell about who they supported and maybe flag more grassroots / lesser known orgs. Nothing came of it in the end, not sure why!

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 12:44

The first rule of PMs is...

2BthatUnnoticed · 11/08/2019 12:50

*OP, I welcome the thread. And don’t worry, I was on a 2000-post thread recently which was endlessly derailed - this is nothing! Smile

These are vital issues and the links are interesting. Just a cautionary note re Abianda which both you and Bespin mentioned, for anyone considering donating.

[this is from their own site - further investigation might show nothing of concern.]

  1. The founder refers to girls in gangs “orbiting around” older males, in an article which mentions a 10 yo girl “having sex” (not child rape).
  1. They’re recruiting for a “Girls & Gangs - Gender Consultant” although as per OP, victims of child rape surely have bigger worries than gender ID?

Will keep reading other links.

barelove · 11/08/2019 12:50

I think Early has (quite understandably imo) blown it with a lot of the long time, regular posters on here for her persistent derailing and petty nit picking on so many other threads. I think it's understandable that she is being scrutinised for posting this particular thread. I didn't understand this at first and so responded to the spelling police with dismay (strangely, I didn't receive a pm telling me to back off Cohle Hmm).

It's a shame because any newies reading this might think that Early is receiving harsh treatment from the gc feminists which would be a very unfair appraisal. It's hard not to suspect that this was another intended outcome Sad

Cohle · 11/08/2019 12:53

I don't think posting a screenshot of a PM is particularly good MN etiquette, but I'm perfectly happy to if people are going to make Hmmfaces at me.

Cascade220 · 11/08/2019 12:55

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barelove · 11/08/2019 12:55

Oh Cohle Paranoid? Much? Hmm

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