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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 10:58

Awareness is the number one step in making change.
Berate me as much as you like, if one person makes a donation or becomes aware of issues or warning signs that they previously weren’t because of this thread, then it did it’s job.

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Cohle · 11/08/2019 10:59

I don't trust this thread. As pp have said it's looking like a "gotcha" job.

I'm the one who raised the issue, not the OP.

And I brought it up because I was genuinely fairly appalled to receive a PM after my first post on the thread effectively telling me not to because "MN feminists don't like the OP".

You're right though, it has unfortunately derailed OP's thread, which I thought was otherwise interesting and informative - and which has led me to several new charities to consider donating to.

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 11:04

Perhaps that statement from Lucy of the Deptford People's Project is germane to the cautioning against superficial Woke Saviourism here:

Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford. We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary. See below

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area.

You must understand we are not graduate activists or or women’s rights campaigners. We are community workers and our concerns regarding changes to the GRA come from a lifetime of personal experience and having worked with some of the most marginalise people in our area.

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse, domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison,rehab,homelessness and austerity.

The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services.Some have and will access all of these services.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class goldsmith (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking. They do this without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.

As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) members of the community are and have always been excepted and protected by community organisations.

We are now informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. All that has changed is privileged students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised.

The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people who we support.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self id. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class people. We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.

When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

when sharing information about this event and attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education. Thank you x

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 11:07

You missed the charity I posted.
www.equalitynow.org/

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 11:11

my care about women extends to spelling it correctly yes

But still nothing useful or relevant to add to the actual topic.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:12

Apologies TheInebriati I searched through but must have missed that one!

Equality Now - organisation working for equality. Activity holding governments responsible for ending legal inequality, sex trafficking, sexual violence & harmful practices, such as female genital mutilation (FGM) & "child marriage"

www.equalitynow.org/

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Helmetbymidnight · 11/08/2019 11:20

i think it is relevant to the topic thanks.

we are talking about women's issues. not one woman's issues. words have meaning, no?

i still cant understand the ops struggles with the word. nor Bespin who seems also to be suffering from this same rare affliction.

SophieLMumsnet · 11/08/2019 11:24

Hi all,

As we mentioned to the OP - we're going to be leaving this thread where it is.

TheInebriati · 11/08/2019 11:25

Many feminists feel that grass roots activism is more useful and productive than awareness.
Its a different style of activism as everyone benefits, there isn't a 'donor and recipient' mentality. You are usually expected to pick an issue that has directly affected you, that you care about or are knowledgeable about.

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 11:26

we are talking about women's issues. not one woman's issues. words have meaning, no?

Well you aren't talking about "women's issues".

And seriously are you really saying you were so confused by "woman" rather than "women" that you thought it was about one woman?

Robert Burns' line man's inhumanity to man must leave you perplexed. I mean which man was being horrible to which other man? What a puzzle.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/08/2019 11:29

so youre comparing ops use of the word woman to robbie burns?

Grin

blimey.

well done op and bespin, the word women is so...passe, isnt it.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/08/2019 11:29

smalls for all where you can donate your old underwear to help those that need it both abroad and in the UK

Earlywalker it's really important to make it clear that smallsforall DON'T want old underwear - or at least, not old knickers. They only want brand new knickers (which is reasonable). They will accept used bras, but only if they are "gently worn".

A really good rule of thumb is to consider whether you'd wear something in that condition if a stranger posted it to you. If you wouldn't wear used knickers or a greying bra sent by a stranger, then don't send your used knickers to anyone else.

One big reason why this matters is because it costs charities staff and volunteer time, and money, sorting through and getting rid of the rubbish people send them. It actively costs them money.

Maniak · 11/08/2019 11:30

For me, political representation and access to resources are still big issues as well:

  • only 13 percent of the world's agricultural landowners are women.
  • worldwide, political representation is less than 24 percent.
  • in 39 countries, daughters and sons do not have equal inheritance rights.
  • in 18 countries, husbands can prevent their wives from working.

www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/gender-equality/

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 11:31

Many feminists feel that grass roots activism is more useful and productive than awareness. Its a different style of activism as everyone benefits, there isn't a 'donor and recipient' mentality.

Absolutely this. Vital, in my opinion.

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 11:34

I was saying how ridiculous, petty and disingenuous I find your posts Helmetbymidnight

You introduced the nonsense about it being "one woman's issue". It clearly was not intended to be about "one woman's issue". I'm assuming you really aren't so dim that you genuinely interpreted the thread that way.

You still haven't made any substantive comments.

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 11:37

Lass! Are you being an equal opportunities filibusterer?!

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:40

Yes apologies for smallsforall used Bras are fine if in good condition, new pants are needed though. Also they have an amazon wish list.

Does awareness not help to raise funds, time and attitudes to embed the grass roots activism?

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littlbrowndog · 11/08/2019 11:41

Early. Am not quite clear what to do on this thread

Are we to discuss the charities and what they do or pick a thing to debate or pick a charity to support

Tbh it’s so overwhelming am stuck on which issue as there are so many it feels like an avalanche which kinda leaves me feeling in despair.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:41

So true Maniak those figures are sickening.

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PurpleCrowbar · 11/08/2019 11:44

Some of those charities look excellent.

I'm a bit donated out this paycheque, & I am generally, at the moment, prioritising my giving to organisations which are working to ensure we can actually define the words 'woman' & 'girl' (in both the singular & plural), but some of them look well worth bearing in mind for the future.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:47

Do what you like littlbrowndog, I’m not the thread master Smile

By posting multiple issues facing women and girls worldwide it firstly helps to see the issues together to see just how widespead these issues are.

By listing charities and organisations that helps, it helps those who may be passionate to see who is helping and how they can.

It can help to spot signs, find out who is affected. Also to discuss on a personal level, how we can all enact change.

Awareness is vital. Coming from someone who knows several people who went home to be cut as children, who didn’t know any different, I feel as a society we need to start discussing difficult things more.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 11:50

Spartacus I don’t have much money at all. For me it’s CAMFED, I think it all starts with education and CAMFED are at the forefront of my mind with this. All charities are equally excellent though.

On a local level, donating my kids old toys to the local mother and baby units rather than selling them for £5 on eBay or Facebook. It may seem small, but there’s been times I really could’ve done with that £5 so I try and do my part.

Putting a tin of beans from a pack of 4 in the collection trolly at Tesco’s for example.

Time is worth so much too.

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 11/08/2019 11:51

It’s such a peculiar thread

Someone mentioned ‘Big Talk’ upthread and that’s what it feels like

Like we list a bunch of charities that we may or may not be familiar with and bingo! Awareness is raised! This magic stuff which means Woman and Girls world wide are all ok now

Or at the very least we should all be talking about this otherwise we’re bad feminists

don’t look over there!

Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 11:54

Political representation, land ownership, inheritance rights - shocking figures and again the data highlights the vital importance of the meaning of women remaining as biological women. The alternative will result in meaningless ‘improvements’ leading to self congratulatory pats on the back, while women are further excluded. Whilst women are not able to define their biological reality there can be no improvements in equality between the sexes.

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