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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 10/08/2019 22:48

The plural of woman is women Early. So when you talk about "woman and girls" I think you really mean "women and girls".

I don't normally correct spelling or grammar errors online but I have noticed you make this mistake several times

Interestingly I noticed the other day whilst listening to Women's Hour on Radio 4 (like the wild party animal that I am) that at least one, possibly two of the guests pronounced the word 'women' and 'woman' exactly the same. It was really disconcerting and I found myself thinking, have they changed that too now? Since they keep changing language every day it seemed possible. And deeply undesirable.

I know that one of the voices was Scottish so that could have accounted for it, since I've noticed they seem to pronounce 'women' 'woo-men' rather than the English pronunciation of 'wimin' or 'wimen.'

But the other voice was definitely English. Most strange indeed.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 10/08/2019 22:51

Woman and women sound very similar when speaking and when typing.

These words where I come from are pronounced very differently.

Woman = Wu-man
Women = Wimin

(In my neck of the woods anyway)

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 10/08/2019 22:56

I'm Scottish and they're quite similar the way I say them.
But I'm very distinct with 'pawn', 'prawn', 'porn' or 'marry merry Mary' and the former isn't that distinct for some English people and the latter for some from the US.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 10/08/2019 23:01

www.api-gbv.org/about-gbv/our-analysis/lifetime-spiral/
This is a resource I use sometimes which brings together lots of issues women face around the world.

It's important to talk about each issue separately and in detail but when I'm training I often do show this kind of thing to underscore how prevalent the manifold manifestations of patriarchy are. Not everything happens in one country but some happen in every country.

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 01:13

These words where I come from are pronounced very differently

Woman = Wu-man
Women = Wimin

I'm in Scotland- I pronounce both with a woo sound. I'd never say "wimin"

I don't understand why the OP is getting such an inquisition about this.

Cohle · 11/08/2019 02:11

I don't understand why the OP is getting such an inquisition about this.

Some of the GC posters on FWR apparently don't like the OP or think she is trying to make a point by starting a thread about something other than trans issues.

A poster genuinely sent me a PM about this thread charmingly claiming that the OP is a "long standing irritant" to "most feminist posters on the board" and it "would have been better to let the thread die".

Criticising her spelling is an attempt to discredit her or derail the thread I suppose. Which is a real shame because I think some fantastic resources and information have been shared here.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 11/08/2019 02:25

I was responding genuinely about the spelling issue because I thought it was interesting, having noticed the same thing happen on Women's Hour.

I have noticed that the OP is someone who usually derails and filibusters other threads but she seems genuine in this thread so maybe she's become interested in feminist theory since then, who knows. Good luck to her if so.

I don't think people are giving her 'an inquisition', it's just part of the discussion and quite a big thing if people are now using the words 'woman' and 'women' interchangeably especially since all of us are aghast at TRAs trying to use the words for themselves.

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 02:57

I don't think people are giving her 'an inquisition', it's just part of the discussion

Several posters have posted more than one comment about it. It looks like petty point- scoring, which really isn't a good look.

MargueritaBlue · 11/08/2019 03:01

A poster genuinely sent me a PM about this thread charmingly claiming that the OP is a "long standing irritant" to "most feminist posters on the board" and it "would have been better to let the thread die".

Some posters on this board seem to forget this is not a closed, invitation only forum.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 07:24

Honestly, I disagree on some trans posts. I have always been a feminist and want to discuss these things.

The biggest tool of campaigning for these issues is often signed as ‘awareness’. The fact people want the thread to die is a bit disheartening.

If ‘feminism chat’ is no longer the place to discuss issues facing woman and girls worldwide, can someone tell me where to put it?

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 07:28

If people are now using the words woman and women interchangeably
I’ve already explained they sound the same to me when speaking so it naturally just comes out when I type and that there is no insult meant by it.

I’m not sure exactly what insult could possibly be meant by it anyway to justify several posts on it.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 07:36

littlbrowndog
Awful, I just looked up Yasaman Aryani (and the woman she was sentenced with Monireh Arabshahi and Mojgan keshavarz)
I won’t forget them, what brave women.

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Helmetbymidnight · 11/08/2019 07:44

i was responding genuinely to surprise about the spelling too. as is my right Grin

if you can spell well, as the poster can with all other words, and if you care about women's issues, which the poster does, then how come you spell women wrong over ten times?

my young kids who are poor spellers can spell women! i've honestly genuinely never seen this confusion before and as someone who loves words and language it interests me.

so now i understand that in scottish, the words are much closer so maybe that accounts for it.

as for being deleted for that- blimey!

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 08:44

I’m not Scottish but I’ve said several times I pronounce both the same. Nothing to do with TRAs (strange to make that connection imo) I have always pronounced it this way. Seems petty to keep going on, I’ve said it wasn’t meant as an insult and I don’t think there’s any possible insult it could mean.
I haven’t reported any posts. I can’t remember what it said but if you don’t think it broke talk guidelines then ask MNHQ.

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simplekindoflife · 11/08/2019 08:53

The things women and girls still have to go through in this day and age, FSM, period poverty, child brides, etc is shocking. My heart breaks for them. How can humans treat other humans like this?! I just can't comprehend it.

I'm really unsettled by the US too, a supposedly a modern and civilised country going backwards in terms of women's rights... we need to see more women in government, making noise about these stupid decisions.

I feel like we've come so far up the mountain and we're at risk of losing our footing and sliding back down. I don't know how to stop that in an individual sense though. Sad

simplekindoflife · 11/08/2019 08:54

Threads like this help though @Earlywalker. Awareness is a hugely important part of it.

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 08:59

Seems petty to keep going on

There's a do as you would be done by lesson in that, Early.

Everyone else: if you don't like filibustering of threads, don't do it. Goose, gander, all that.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 09:01

It's so sad to see some people want a thread to die that is importent to all woman and girls and that provides useful information about things. I have learned a lot from some of the links about things I didn't know enough about and I'm greatful for that.

Some posters seem to want to defend this forum at all costs even if that is to the detriment of woman and girls.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 09:22

Yes it does seem that way simple, we’ve come far in some places, yet still so far away in others.

It feels like one step forward, two back in some situations. In the last year for example, woman in Saudi Arabia were finally given the right to drive, which on the surface is obviously a great step forward in woman’s rights there.

But, woman like Loujain al-Hathloul who fought for this right, are still being held in Saudi prisons for their protests to make this a reality, and being tortured.

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Bespin · 11/08/2019 09:23

Something that is not really talked about here in the UK is the criminal exploration of girls within organised gangs.

www.freedomunited.org/news/epidemic-of-girls-sexually-abused-by-county-lines-gangs/

They are often seen as just criminal and end up in the justice system, though nearly all of them are victims of abuse, and very much need support.

This organisation does amazing work which is often complex and lengthy and does go into adulthood.

abianda.com/

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/08/2019 09:34

If ‘feminism chat’ is no longer the place to discuss issues facing woman and girls worldwide, can someone tell me where to put it

I knew yesterday that this would be one outcome of this thread - and within 24 hours, here it is Grin So very predictable.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 09:36

Another very good point bespin, girls in gangs are often forgotten about and the ripple effect of this can be devastating.

Abianda is a great organisation supporting these women and girls.

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Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 09:40

You knew people would want the thread to die truth ? That’s sad. I had hoped that we could all put disagreements on trans issues aside for the sake of a thread focusing on awareness and avenues of action on worldwide issues affecting women and girls.

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Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 09:44

It does indeed feel like one step forward two steps backwards when posters who normally derail threads on this board now applaud each each other for discussing womens rights. Hmm Playing games it seems.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 09:50

If I bring up woman’s issues on other threads, I am told ‘start your own thread if you want to discuss that, this is about trans’ so I have, so if you’d like to contribute, please do. Otherwise, there’s hundreds of trans threads to get stuck into.

I won’t stop fighting for the millions of women facing hardship that I care about because I don’t agree with some gender critical points.

That is all I will say on the matter. Now hopefully we can get back to the subject.

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