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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Issues facing woman and girls worldwide

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Earlywalker · 10/08/2019 09:02

Thought it could be useful to raise awareness of issues facing woman and girls worldwide and discuss what we can do to help them.

Please do feel free to add to the list also as there will be loads that I’ve missed.

It made me very angry writing and researching this:

FGM - ‘the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common’

FGM is still practiced within the UK and is of course illegal here, we have only had one successful prosecution since it was made illegal and it was February this year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47094707

Girls are encouraged to not tell anyone about it, awareness for the communities and those around them is the only way we can end FGM here. With wider efforts needed accords the globe.

Safe access to abortion - this is not just something that happens in third world countries, this is happening on our very doorstep in the UK! Northern Ireland has still not updated its abortion laws. Woman are being forced to continue pregnancies, even if they are raped, even if it was through incest and this needs to change.

Child brides - 140 million girls will become child brides between 2011 and 2020 . Girls who marry before age 18 are typically denied an education, at risk of complications related to premature childbearing, and more vulnerable to intimate partner violence.

Maternal health - The World Health Organization estimates that 800 women die every day from preventable, pregnancy related causes. That’s nearly 300,000 lives per year needlessly lost during what is fundamentally a life-creating event.

Sex based violence 1 in 3 woman Experience physical or sexual abuse in their lifetime. I’m not sure what more I can say on this than attitudes need to change.

Access to education A 2013 report by UNESCO found that 31 million girls of primary school age were not in school, and about one out of every four young women in developing countries had never completed their primary school education. That number represents a huge pool of untapped girl power: that same report suggests that educated women are more likely to get married later, survive childbirth, raise healthy kids, find work, and earn more money, among other positives.

Trafficking of woman and children This is the fastest growing crime in the world, it pulls in an estimated $99billion per year and there’s an estimated 25 million people trapped in forced labour, with an estimated 71% being woman and girls.

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LangCleg · 11/08/2019 17:12

If its just something you do for virtue signalling then its not just empty and meaningless, it can actually create risk and that usually lands on people who have already been harmed.

Absolutely blindingly obvious point. Inch deep, mile wide - really does not help.

Feminism is not clictivism.

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 17:17

In context it makes sense.

I agree with the basics that make someone GC. I agree with a lot of posts, the sports, Yaniv, girl guides etc, disagree with certain posts (such as refusal to use transwoman, protesting at Leeds to then complain when protested back, trans remembrance threads etc)

I am straight to the point and don’t pussy foot around things. If a poster says something I disagree with, I will question it.

I have a mind of my own, I don’t need to follow sheep and exclusively agree with everything someone’s said because I agree with the basics.

Everyone gets very defensive when you dare to question a GC poster or position though, and I will defend my views.

I’m not going to keep justifying this thread, if you don’t think I’m resining awareness in the ‘right’ way, by all means, please, go and do it yourself. Or contribute to this thread with information that you do think is useful, that would be great too.

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minou123 · 11/08/2019 17:21

They’re recruiting for a “Girls & Gangs - Gender Consultant” although as per OP, victims of child rape surely have bigger worries than gender ID?

If I could just pick up on this point. From what I understand, a gender consultant has nothing to do with gender identity.

From my (limited) experience, the refugee centre I work at, hired a gender consultant.
I think gender consultant is a bit of a rubbish title, because it doesn't explain what they do. They should be called women's rights consultants. They are womens rights activists and often specialise in different areas. For example, some have expert knowledge in VAWG, some on corporate gender issues, others in financial issues impacting women etc.

As they are consultants, their job description does depend on what is required. I'm my experience, she was hired to see if were giving the right support to all the women from the different nationalities we support. The consultant (female btw) was able to take a step back and view all the services we deliver. From that she was able to pin point what we were missing, where we could get resources etc.
She was fantastic and a great support.

For example I'm not perfect and I freely admit that, I can get so enthusiastic about trying to help rebuild these womens lives, that we didnt have a structured grief process in place. We could sympathise with women who have lost husbands, children, family, but we didnt have any resources to help women grieve about their loved ones. Its seems insane now, that we didnt have this.

I'll see if I can find a link to gender consultants.

DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 17:27

such as refusal to use "transwoman"

Why does this upset you, Cohle?

[I've been reading these pages all year and longer. It's very clear to me why most women here refuse to use that term since they prefer not to be hoodwinked by it. Similarly, it seems that they also prefer not to be hoodwinked by "use of pronouns".]

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 18:43

I assume you’re asking me since I said it?

Because most women here would reject the terms ‘CIS’ ‘womb-bearer’ etc and are persistent in their fight for using the correct words for what they describe.
Woman is the correct term for an adult human female.
Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

Wanting to use an term that has been deemed offensive by the people you are describing, instead of the accurate definition shows either ignorance or intolerance imo.

But this thread is not here to discuss transwomen, we are here to discuss issues facing women worldwide.

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EmpressLesbianInChair · 11/08/2019 18:53

But this thread is not here to discuss transwomen, we are here to discuss issues facing women worldwide.

Ok. At least we’re all clear that we’re only talking about actual women. I donate to WAST (Women Asylum Seekers Together) who were at FiLiA last year.

galaxybrain · 11/08/2019 18:58

earlywalker so nearly 300 posts in, what do you think are your personal priorities? You seem most passionate about FGM and trafficking, from the few sentences you have posted about this. What is happening locally to you that appeals to you or that you can get involved in? Would you be willing to report back on what's happening 'on the ground' with any of these groups?

YY to the poster who mentioned CAB. Not sexy but during I Am Kirsty (tv prog) I was internally yelling at her to go to the CAB!

Ereshkigal · 11/08/2019 18:58

Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

If it's the "correct term for a MTF transsexual", I'll say "MTF transsexual" then, thanks.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 11/08/2019 19:01

My mum worked at one of the first CABs in Glasgow. It was v beneficial to women.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 19:02

It was me -

For anyone not aware of them cab stands for citizens advice bureau.

It was one of dh choices of charity to support and it's a really good one esp with, well, the stuff I said earlier won't repeat myself!

minou123 · 11/08/2019 19:11

Fraggling and SuperLoud - sorry if this is derailing, I have a quick question if that's ok?

I know someone who would love to volunteer for CAB, but when they went, they were told that due to government funding they couldnt take on volunteers. Is that right?
Sorry for the question. I'm curious if what this person told me was true, or if the CAB just didnt like my friend Blush

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/08/2019 19:12

Not charities, but (I think) small grassroots orgs which are worth a quick look (seeing as we are doing awareness raising)

wecantconsenttothis.uk/ Tracking deaths through "consensual sex"

kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/ self explanatory

filia.org.uk/ organise feminist conferences with great speakers and really interesting topics covering many of the issues mentioned in this thread.

freedomprogramme.co.uk/introduction-training.php mentioned in thread, but not I think linked

transcrimeuk.com/ Records the increasing issue of crimes being commited by men being recorded as by being by women which really messed up statistics

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 11/08/2019 19:24

Minou, cab will prob vary by region in terms of funding etc

More generally as a volunteer manager type of person if I didn't think someone would be a good fit I would refer them to the local volunteering office for other opportunities.
I might give them specific feedback if I had anything they would find useful.

It's almost more likely funding would be an issue.
No funding for a specialist volunteer manager role.
No funding for hours for a project/ support officer type person to mentor and manage a volunteer (honestly it can be time consuming).
No funding for office space for a volunteer.
No funding to send a volunteer on training courses.

They should have referred to another opportunity really

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 11/08/2019 19:24

Oh wow thanks for posting the transcrime website ItsAllGoingToBeFine, I was wondering if anyone was recording that since some governments have started recording crimes committed by men as women's crimes. The thought of such skewed statistics is depressing, great to see the real statistics are being collected. It's kind of unbelievable that people have to do that in their own time rather than organisations who are meant to be collecting data.

Fraggling · 11/08/2019 19:25

I don't know minou, sorry, I just give them cash every month!

minou123 · 11/08/2019 19:30

That's great info, thank you SuperLoud.
They may have been referred to other opportunities, but I think thier heart was on CAB.

Thanks Fraggling

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 19:31

Great organisations listed!

Freedom programme I know a fair amount about and I would really advocate for this being taught in schools alongside sex & relationships education. Absolutely invaluable at helping to spot signs of abuse, patterns etc, but sadly most only do the course after some trauma, having something like this taught in schools I think would do the world of good! And a similar version for boys too.

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DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 19:33

Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

Many women prefer to use MtF Transsexual since we all know that no human can really change their sex. Therefore to associate any fabricated configuration of the term 'woman' in relation to any man is an example of hoodwinking.

Even UK law admits that fact.

Wurzelsnewhead · 11/08/2019 19:47

Thanks for the transcrime website. It is horrifying that biological male crimes are being classified as female. Accurate data collection is of vital importance as how can crime strategies be of use if they’re not even identifying criminals correctly?? The website also lists U.K. based organisations advocating for women’s sex based rights, useful.

LangCleg · 11/08/2019 20:36

Transwoman is the correct term for a M T F transsexual.

What's the correct term for a cross dresser?

DejaVulva · 11/08/2019 21:34

Transvestite?

Earlywalker · 11/08/2019 21:39

As mentioned a snippet of My personal views on FGM. I’ll start by saying I’m not from a family that practices FGM and it’s not something that has personally ever been a viable threat to me.

I do though, have multiple friends whom I have grown up with who are from a culture like this and I am speaking solely as an outsider who has had friends personally affected and I have spoken to. By no means am I speaking for anyone else.

People don’t talk openly about FGM in my experience, unless prompted.

As a child this is just ‘normal’ much like getting your first period, you are told it is what happens and then it happens and you don’t really speak about it after. For many it happens before they can even speak.

From talking to a good friend, many members of her church came from the same region that do practice it, in a lot of these circles, the church becomes your ‘community’ within the UK and particularly with freshies you tend to gravitate towards those from similar places in the world (I’m generalising of course but it’s one avenue worth exploring) it is seen as a right of passage for girls to either go home to get cut or have it performed by the aunties and mothers in the UK.

I don’t think by any means that these churches are advocating for FGM at all, but that they should also take active roles in discussing the dangers. Much like mosques are starting to address terrorism, it is not a case of saying ‘all of you are terrorists’ but a case of understanding there are issues within that particular community and addressing them.

It is only the people within these communities that can truly stop it (from a UK perspective at least) but if no one is discussing it with them, how do they know any different?

I see that Midwife’s now have to note if a mother is cut, which is a great step, but where is this information going? Who is going to see these mothers if they have a daughter, and discuss FGM? If a mother has had it done, their daughter is statistically more at risk, we know this. Midwife’s are probably the only people who will see this region for a lot of women, you tend to be able to avoid most others like smears if you don’t want to be seen. So This May be a girls only chance.

As for the practices, I think it’s clear a lot of people are aware it’s illegal, which is why girls are told to keep quiet but a lot of people who practice FGM (mothers and fathers) really do believe what they are doing is ‘right’ and actually that their daughters won’t find husbands if they are uncut as this is ‘dirty’

So we need to not only look out for the girls, but educate the boys and men. Educate them that uncut does not equal dirty. Educate them on what being cut actually means

We eradicate the ‘need’ for FGM in these communities minds and we eradicate the abuse of it. Obviously this is something men need to work on too but I’m saying us as in people.

At this moment in time, figures show 144,000 girls are at risk of FGM in the UK and we need to talk about it more. Stop these communities normalising FGM by normalising discussion instead.

Obviously my post here is very broad and also very small perspective and analysis of action compared to all of the different avenues and societies.

This is a good article that goes into detail:

Annita Prem of Freedom Charity is a very inspiring women to look into if you have time. She is one women, who is actively making such a difference to girls in the UK. She’s inspiring.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/07/reported-cases-fgm-rise-sharply-uk-no-court-convictions

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Cascade220 · 11/08/2019 22:23

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Fraggling · 11/08/2019 22:24

Thanks early

I didn't know that fgm was predominantly an issue for Christian immigrants

I knew it was a cultural rather than religious practice, but really did associate it with people from parts of the world that culturally practiced fgm and were mainly muslim.

Bespin · 11/08/2019 22:26

I find this thread so so sad that it could not have just been a place where people shared the things they were passionate about and links to information that would be useful to people on here.