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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Yaniv has a complete meltdown with death threats.

177 replies

Lamahaha · 09/08/2019 11:19

Starting a new thread as this seems important and might get buried on the Blair White thread, and anyway a new topic. He posted on Kiwifarms as himself:
WGkitty you are going to fucking die. I know who you are and I am going to come there, slit your throat and throw your body under the Golden Ears Bridge. Bob Adams knows who you are too. So you better stop

WGKitty is someone, a woman, I believe, who lives in the same building and is practically the KF "mole", posting updates on that he is up to. So the threat could be real. No link but you know how to find it. The plot thickens... this is a criminal offence in Canada carrying a sentence of up to five years imprisonment.

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NotTerfNorCis · 09/08/2019 21:26

It is astonishing the Yaniv gets away with so much and is still on Twitter, but women who say 'humans can't change sex' and 'penises aren't female' get demonised and then banned.

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 09/08/2019 22:43

Maybe they are giving him enough rope to hang himself and expose self ID for the problem it can be. JY is giving self ID and trans issues more bad press than anything anyone else can do so it's good in my view that this is public and getting sunlight. I just hope he's arrested soon and locked up for a long, long time. He's either very ill or evil. Maybe both.

TurboTeddy · 09/08/2019 23:15

Just had a quick peak at the farms; they are going to town on this, there are over 60 threads on JY. Shock

GirlDownUnder · 10/08/2019 00:39

extremely devious and manipulative

JY recently reported, via twitter, that they’d been run over by a reporter

mobile.twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1159609612590436352

While the actual facts can been seen in the short video in this tweet

mobile.twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1159887768014602240

And again MY is the bigger aggressor.

BettyFloop · 10/08/2019 02:40

I don't have the time, will or energy to analyse the motives for this person's actions/behaviours. All I know is he's male so I expect: "a total lack of inhibition, no response to the things others say or do, no self-regulation mechanism, no empathy, no self-awareness, no self restraint. Completely self-righteous, entitled, selfish. Lives in a bubble." (thank you betty)
JY may well be mentally unwell but I don't believe for a minute that ill health is causing him to behave the way he does.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 10/08/2019 03:12

Yes definitely at least one personality disorder going on with this person. I think it's important to distinguish between personality disorders and mental health problems because otherwise people start feeling sorry for psychopaths (which is how they victimise people).

I wonder if we are seeing such openly abusive, personality disordered behaviour now because the laws have enabled it. Abusers are usually covert because their behaviour is against the law and they want to avoid punishment. But if the law allows, enables and supports abuse and reprimands victims then they have no reason to hide.

It's like they are trying to do a complete reversal of what is normal, legal behaviour where abusive predatory behaviour is normalised and made legal and having boundaries are made illegal (such as women complaining about men using their bathrooms).

sackrifice · 10/08/2019 08:27

Holy Lolcow Batman.

nettie434 · 10/08/2019 08:44

I wonder if we are seeing such openly abusive, personality disordered behaviour now because the laws have enabled it. Abusers are usually covert because their behaviour is against the law and they want to avoid punishment. But if the law allows, enables and supports abuse and reprimands victims then they have no reason to hide.

Agree AdultHumanFemale. The same can happen in cases of domestic abuse or family courts too. The perpetrator knows how to use the system and the system gets itself in a twist because it does not know how to respond.

SingingLily · 10/08/2019 09:04

In my opinion, human rights legislation changed everything. Its intentions were good and it does protect people in many important ways but it is founded on the assumption that everyone responds to fair and equal treatment by behaving decently and responsibly. Of course they don't. And the legislation was so poorly drafted that it allows predators, vexatious claimants and the malign to manipulate the court system to harm the very people it was meant to protect.

I realise this may be an unpopular view. However, I really believe that the HRA was a classic case of the law of unintended consequences.

RedToothBrush · 10/08/2019 09:34

Singing the problem isn't the HRA in itself being poorly drafted.

Where it fails is in enforcement - and this has been compounded by the justice system being decimated financially, particularly with regard to legal aid.

Legal aid is only available to a select few cases. But this excludes a huge percentage of the country who are unable to uphold their rights.

It means the cases that can be bought tend to be only 'pet causes' of lobby groups who fund, high profile cases where someone can make a professional name for themselves or donate legal skills or richer middle classes who can fund cases themselves. It doesn't therefore serve the most vulnerable adequately.

This is true of the entire criminal justice system - look at the report about enforcement of the Equality Act.

Human Rights enforcement is also not helped by a decline in the number of criminal lawyers available to defendants - with some areas now having none at all and others at risk of having none in a few years as they are aging and no one new coming into the field as its near impossible to make ends meet.

It explains the growing hostility to human rights in some communities as the law just isn't serving them. They don't have human rights because they can be exploited as they can't enforce them.

Talk of rewriting the human rights act alarms me, because it doesn't identify where the problem actually lies. It could do more harm.

It's the financing of the system that needs a good hard look at. It's notable we've had something like 7 Justice Ministers in 7 years. (I forget exactly what it is but the turnover and leadership is very much a problem).

We have what is now essentially a two tier justice system in the UK now.

Human Rights are about the vulnerable in society and unless they are aware that a) their rights gave been breeches b) have someone willing to serve their interests c) have the funding for their case, they are always going to lose out.

It requires understanding of this to protect our rights, but I think this is where the 'woke' really have missed the crucial point in younger age groups and this has been compounded with a middle class support for austerity in older groups.

I imagine there are probably similar issues elsewhere in the world.

nettie434 · 10/08/2019 09:35

I wonder about that too singinglily. There are examples where it has benefited people and others where it has been used unfairly. I read a great post on the JY case by a woman involved in the human rights legislation in Britsh Columbia who said it was a clear misuse of it. It was either her or someone else who said (boringly repeating myself here as I know I have already quoted it), that having a Brazilian waxing was not a human right

nettie434 · 10/08/2019 09:38

Thanks RedToothBrush I had not thought about it that way before.

SingingLily · 10/08/2019 10:06

I agree with much of what you say, RedToothBrush, particularly with regard to the two tier justice system and the impact on the most vulnerable. I don't wish to derail the thread - my previous post was intended purely as a comment on the madness now happening in BC - but here's a link that explains far more eloquently than I why the HRA has perverse consequences.

www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/TheProblemwithHumanRightsLaw.pdf

I think we see the same kind of conflict with the ongoing JY case. Where there are conflicting human rights, including claims to human rights however perverse, there will always be a fight for top place in the hierarchy of rights. That's where the good intentions become messy and muddled.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 10/08/2019 10:22

All this talk of personality disorders reminded me of this.

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/toxic-relationships/201812/beware-the-malevolent-dark-triad

RedToothBrush · 10/08/2019 10:31

Don't get the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act confused either.

The EA IS poorly written and is particularly suspetable to identity politics and how it's exploded.

No thought was given to gender / sex conflation.

The HRA is largely well written. It's just that certain groups have been able to make use of it than others. And potentially use that to disenfranchise other groups in the process (the disinformation surrounding the EA suggests this might be happening elsewhere) by badly advising them.

Awareness of your rights is a key facet of having them. Things like lack of education or not having English as a first language are huge barriers. And we've had very little promotion of rights in groups like this which is essential.

I note here, Yaniv crucially has gone after women who don't have English as a first language and I think that's significant.

RedToothBrush · 10/08/2019 10:40

Where there are conflicting human rights, including claims to human rights however perverse, there will always be a fight for top place in the hierarchy of rights. That's where the good intentions become messy and muddled

Thats where good understanding of rights amongst the whole population is crucial and how and why they formed and are important.

We've lost that and that's scary.

The lack of awareness of the WWII and subsequent sole searching is terrifying.

Also we've had Western governments not being held to the same standards on an international level which has had massive consequences to the credibility of rights as a concept.

It's something that has been in decline for a number of years and the groups who should have promoting rights are the very ones who have lost the plot because they've gone for over simplified populist identity politics instead.

There should be a tension between rights. They are deeply complex, nuanced and finely balanced.

I do think this is a useful conversation around the subject of Yaniv as we need an analysis of how and why we've got to this point and a debate over how we go forward on a wider level. It's not merely about trans v women's rights.

SingingLily · 10/08/2019 10:50

Absolutely agree, Red. It probably warrants a whole new thread. Especially agree about the EA - one of its most pernicious effects is to be parent to the GRA and current review.

LangCleg · 10/08/2019 10:50

What Red said, especially about EqA being poorly written.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 10/08/2019 13:41

This has been posted on twitter.

Yaniv sure can put a sprint on for someone who needs a walker or mobility scooter.

Not to mention the pure lies while he's on the blower to the police. So completely mystifying.

twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1159887768014602240

It's as bad as the "seizure" that "just happened" to be caught on video by a "luckily" placed camera (see KF for the clip)

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 10/08/2019 13:55

I wonder if the “can’t feel the lower half of my body” illness that yaniv suffers from involves having to undergo tests that mean medical staff have to touch the lower body parts. Hmm

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 10/08/2019 14:03

BuzzShitbagBobbly that video is batshittery at its finest. The man can run! His mother is batshit for enabling him. I wonder what his childhood was like. A psychiatrist would have field day with them both.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 10/08/2019 14:15

When this is all over, I expect he'll be a case study in law/sociology/psychology/take your pick textbooks for a "how the hell did this happen?"

Much in the vein of a serial killer piece work series you see on TV. DeAgostini must be rubbing their hands already.

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 10/08/2019 14:31

Agree buzz

FormerMediocreMale · 10/08/2019 16:12

The comments under that video buzz Grin

Hahaha... Even Jessica doesn't want to feel her lower body. That's ok... No one else does either.
Thanks jonathan

RoyalCorgi · 10/08/2019 17:04

Amidst all the horror of the Yaniv shitshow, I have to say the bit where Jessica starts running is very very funny.