Yaniv has a complete meltdown with death threats.

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Starting a new thread as this seems important and might get buried on the Blair White thread, and anyway a new topic. He posted on Kiwifarms as himself:
WGkitty you are going to fucking die. I know who you are and I am going to come there, slit your throat and throw your body under the Golden Ears Bridge. Bob Adams knows who you are too. So you better stop

WGKitty is someone, a woman, I believe, who lives in the same building and is practically the KF "mole", posting updates on that he is up to. So the threat could be real. No link but you know how to find it. The plot thickens... this is a criminal offence in Canada carrying a sentence of up to five years imprisonment.

I keep returning lately to Camille Paglia and her claim that what we are seeing is the late stages of a decaying society

Yes: there's element of Roman fiddling about it. We're doing ludicrous things because there's nothing left but ludicrous things until either the Chinese take over or climate change gets us: whichever happens first.

Yaniv has always struck me as a malignant narcissistic psychopath, who knows perfectly well what he is doing and is enjoying the power his manipulative behaviour has given him to the max. If that's the case, then it would be incorrect to call him mentally ill, psychotic, distressed etc. Psychopaths enjoy power and playing with people, and do it because it entertains and gratifies them. A psychopath would be entirely capable of faking mental illness as part of his games and his strategy.

I could be wrong, of course, but I would be surprised if JY could have got as far as he has if he was genuinely suffering from any form of actual mental illness.

The point, is, you can't section someone for being a psychopath. They actually have to have a mental illness, which is different. So what form would authority stepping in actually take? This is always the proble with psychopaths and other personality disordered individuals. They wreak havoc and there is no way of stopping them.

until either the Chinese take over

another damn thing for me worry about.

But yes, fiddling while Rome burns sounds about right.

Or golfing, while California, the Arctic, Spain & Indonesia burns....

When I was going through a difficult time I undertook what could be called sex work using a made up persona/alter ego. It was very comforting to escape to/become this person who got lots of attention and who didn't have any of my problems weighing them down. I can see how a trans identity would seem similarly appealing in a way. It was like pressing a pause button on awful reality when I switched insert girly name on. They weren't me. It wasn't merely playful, it was pretty profound. I found myself doing things that were risky because insert name would, even though the real me would have said hell no. Fortunately a very loving man helped me stop the runaway bus before this alter ego got me in any more trouble.

I absolutely understand it's not necessarily equivalent to things like ROGD ... But the concept of alter egos is interesting.

JY is thoroughly immersed in his made up world and no one is going to be able to shake him out of it. He's too far down the rabbit hole and no one wants to help him.

Teenagers spend a lot of time playing with personas, always have done. Most of us have a few cringe pics from the past. Anyway, just some thoughts!

I think what puzzles a lot of us about JY (including me) is that most abusers are fairly covert. So you'll get the trusted, charismatic English teacher or sports coach who everyone loves and who is secretly abusing children in the changing rooms or on school trips.

With JY, it's all out in the open. No one thinks JY is charismatic. No one trusts JY. He is quite obviously an abuser. His fetish for young girls and their periods is all over social media. He has brandished an illegal weapon in a video that has been no doubt watched by thousands of people. And yet, as his human rights case makes apparent, he is also extremely devious and manipulative. That is why we're all puzzling about whether this is a mental illness or a personality disorder or just someone who combines being abusive with being immensely thick.

Narcissistic grandiosity combined with psychopathy means an individual simply doesn't care what other people think about him in terms of his "moral" behaviour. We're all just silly deluded pawns to such a person, game pieces for him to play with. Abusers hide because they want to carry on abusing: for a narcissistic psychopath, the ability to play with power, be the centre of attention, have the whole Canadian human rights tribunal kowtowing to his every whim would be far more gratifying than simply carring on with (anonymous) sexual abuse.

Teenagers spend a lot of time playing with personas, always have done.

I wonder about this. It's been true for a good while, but has it always been true? In a lot of societies, especially historically, there just aren't that many different roles available.

My sense is that we have really increased the number of roles and really opened up more of them to individuals, and we also have a lot more role identifications in terms of various fandoms, particular brands or bands or tv shows. While at the same time we have deemphasised many of the more "natural" roles, like extended family, religion, ethnicity in some cases, nationalism comes in for a bad name, even identification with roles associated with a particular sex.

I wonder, what if the truth is that we need a certain amount of identification with others in order to feel rooted or secure within society? And then we've tended, on the left anyway, to denigrate certain ones (national identity) or say they are invalid (sex/gender,) and at the same time we have a society that is large, constantly moving, where people find it difficult to connect with others and they are often far from their family etc.

What if that creates a scenario where all these roles and role playing come to fill the gap, but in an abnormal way that isn't quite connected to reality?

Just to add: a lot of psychopaths crave excitement and danger. Taking risks and treading on the edge of what they can get away with is very common behaviour.

I think part of the JY issue is that he is not very smart, totally apart from anything else.

However I also think its not just a matter of being a psychopath, he has poor impulse control.

Interestingly, this 'decay' seems not to be manifesting itself in women, since it is men who are driving this agenda.

I think what puzzles a lot of us about JY (including me) is that most abusers are fairly covert.

Some are, some aren't. For some the thrill is in being in your face about it, that's what they get off on. Think flashers in public spaces, or Jimmy Saville being an obvious creep all over the public sphere.

Yaniv is enjoying his notoriety. He won't stop until he is stopped. Men like him never do.

I feel like part of the problem is that we've somehow tried to sever the link between these kinds of personality disorders and various sorts of boundary pushing and weird behaviours. Most people have that link intuitively but it seems like we are just going farther and farther trying to say that it's all just ok diversity, that we need to include people.

Yes. Seen in the statement from the CoHR re Yaniv that it was important to ensure people have equal access before the law. It's where equality and social care policy haven't yet grown sophisticated enough to stick to their true core brief without being exploited.

I can't find the link, but there is documentation emerging, I've seen one particularly good one, from an agency or LA that was beginning to identify patterns of behaviour and to use those to identify when a client or service user had been given more than a fair hearing and needed to be moved from the standard pathway of responses, complaint procedures, tribunals etc to a different one specific for vexatious users.

Part of the issue is lack of experience and back up for front line staff in dealing with the intensity and severity of behaviours this kind of person can inflict on them. Innundated with multiple very long emails a day with all hell breaking loose if they're not answered quickly, phone calls, angry meetings, shouting, accusation, endless complaints and reporting to managers, someone like this can completely dominate the time and energy of one member of staff. It's not unusual for a difficult service user like this to be the cause of several staff becoming ill with stress or leaving.

someone like this can completely dominate the time and energy of one member of staff. It's not unusual for a difficult service user like this to be the cause of several staff becoming ill with stress or leaving.

Absolutely. Organisations used to be able to deal with this by use of managerial discretion, before everything became proceduralised in order to avoid unfairness. The naive assumption that there are no bad actors in society is just that, naive. Whether or not they can help it, they cause huge damage in society as well as to other people.

Yes, maybe this is the sort of thing where we saw a problem with the way things were - people who were not heard because of social discrimination or bias - but when we tried to change it in terms of procedures we realised that there were unexpected trade-offs.

I think that the drive to increasing liberalisation, jettisoning of practices that we can't clearly see the purpose of, has had this kind of effect in a lot of areas. We think that it's just dead weight we are getting rid off, but there was in fact a social function. Often small effects but they seem to cumulatively make a real difference.

Under Canadian law Yaniv could be charged with criminal harrassment, which can be followed by a custodial sentence.

I live in BC and decades ago, before there was much acknowledgment of this behaviour, I was stalked by a fellow student at university. The police took it very seriously and took him to the station, interviewed him, photographed him, and released him with a very stern warning. The university was informed and they told him that if there were other reports they’d expel him. So my experience was that the police responded well.

I want him arrested for the death threats, but given the HRT didn’t just dismiss the case I know want them to see it through to establish women’s rights not to be compelled to touch male genitalia.

I agree the boundary pushing and escalation, which have been enabled by creatures like Morgane Oger, and Yaniv's mother and institutions like the RCMP, the Human Rights Tribunal and Canadian Government, is clearly defined and easy to recognise once you know what the pattern is.

It started with National Sex Day, way back when Yaniv was in college and no one wanted to fuck him.
Then it was the fantasies about young girls and tampons sent to women in Facebook make-up groups and girls on Ask.fm
Harrassing and grooming teenage Cimorelli fans
Then is was the ball waxing suits, which the Canadian authorities enabled thanks to their self-ID laws, and granting of anonymity and a publication ban. This was Yaniv engaging in state sanctioned abuse of poor women from immigrant communities, nothing less.
Then, when the tables started to turn and he was outed as the disgusting pervert he is, it became talk of weapons, then carrying weapons, then threatening to use weapons (Dan Dicks) and then taking weapons out and displaying them (Blaire White). And now death threats.

Imagine if he wasn't raided and had kept those stun guns. Imagine what he could do to a little girl he'd cornered in a toilet with one.

For some the thrill is in being in your face about it, that's what they get off on. Think flashers in public spaces, or Jimmy Saville being an obvious creep all over the public sphere.

That's a fair point, though Savile seems to have - successfully - calculated that he could get away with it. In his case it was a combination of having various tame police forces in his pocket and a press cowed by fear of libel. Yaniv doesn't have either of those things to rely on and evidence of his wrongdoing is clearly and unambiguously recorded in perpetuity on the internet.

I don't pretend to understand it.

whatthe good timeline showing the esculation, that has been quite rapid since he was "outed" as a dodgy person.

I just hope the police get him before he does something really bad.

The thought of transhumanism is terrifying. However its all about enhancing human intellect and physiology - transgender has the opposite effect with medication and surgery.

It's all interlinked, Former.

Jennifer P is transgender, and v rich, and v into tech, robotics etc, it's all v Black Mirror.

I've heard said that transgender is just a precursor to transhuman - a stepping stone to the ready acceptance of physically changing/enhancing the human body.

I would say that JY has a sort of equivalent to threats of libel, which is threats of transphobia.

Crikey.

What a time to be alive.

Yes Zebras o can see it as a stepping stone for the wierd and wonderful. There is someone in the US who was trans and now believes they are an alien.

My God, that KF thread.

Our foul mouthed, politically incorrect, edge lord kiddies, sure know how to tech. It absolutely is Yaviv, it's absolutely crazy. The stuff he wrote!

The worst bit is i keep hearing it in that perverted elmo voice he did to that girl.

I need mind bleach.

All those women kicked off social media for calling him a him, and yet he behaves like this. No to self I.D. no no no no no

obviously JY has no fear about making threats publicly or "anonymously"

(forgive me if this has already been talked about im still catching up)