Yaniv has a complete meltdown with death threats.

[Lamahaha]

Starting a new thread as this seems important and might get buried on the Blair White thread, and anyway a new topic. He posted on Kiwifarms as himself:
WGkitty you are going to fucking die. I know who you are and I am going to come there, slit your throat and throw your body under the Golden Ears Bridge. Bob Adams knows who you are too. So you better stop

WGKitty is someone, a woman, I believe, who lives in the same building and is practically the KF "mole", posting updates on that he is up to. So the threat could be real. No link but you know how to find it. The plot thickens... this is a criminal offence in Canada carrying a sentence of up to five years imprisonment.

Everyone can see the danger, so why is no one in authority stepping up?

I guess the question is, is there some actual agenda being played out here? It's hard to see quite what that would be.

In the case of some of these people, politicians for example, it seems to me like there is something missing in their thought process. As if they have had some part of their normal thought processes removed so they can't see what everyone else sees.

Just a general observation, based on experience of dealing with the personality disordered as well as those with specific MH conditions: men turn their rage outwards and take it out on people and property around them (assaults, cell smash-ups, etc); women turn their rage inwards and take it out on themselves (self harm, eating disorders).

There will always be exceptions of course, but it was pointed out to me by seasoned staff many years ago and it has served as a pretty good rule of thumb ever since.

Dana I heart Sydney and Melbourne and I visit often as I have family in both. I chose to live between the two because I like the quiet life and wine region just up the road hic

Northern beaches - you talking about the Gong!?

But yes, the big cities def think they’re all that and dismiss the country towns.

It’s so land vast here, but people poor it’s hard to make changes.

Hence I watch the UK and Canada and hope.

is there some actual agenda being played out here?

That's the billion dollar question right there really. There is something but it's so hard to define perhaps because there are actually multiple somethings iykwim.

Maybe the way we can see what it is...is by working out what the outcomes will be. I think we become so caught up in the day to day drama (hands up here) that it becomes harder to step back and look at things as a whole picture. Actually picture is probably not the right word, jigsaw may be better... we need to isolate what the outcome (pieces) are then connect them together.

Northern Beaches - Palm Beach, Avalon etc (UK peeps this is where Home and Away is filmed).
We have a holiday house in a rural area.
Wine region between think I've got you. Have some fam down that way, one of whom is FP.

I find it really interesting with certain characters involved in this whole ideology, they are so narcissistic that it doesn't matter if millions and millions of people told them their personal behaviour was wrong, they'd never ever admit it. Thinking of golfing stepho, haddock and balldemorte here. They thrive on the attention, and escalation is sure to follow.

Shudder

Dana I'm not sure its any one person so much as a whole bunch of disordered malignant men who are united by the prevailing 'religion' of misogyny and the nihilism of some mental illness (and I include personality disorder which is entrenched mental illness and disordered beliefs) They have a collective goal that I think is both self serving and self destroying, and to different degrees indifferent people. Any one of them might have the power and interest to enable JY.

Those are coldly deliberate in their attempts to abuse, create anarchy even, those who are more consciously and calmly aware of their goals eg Stephen Whittle (and the men whose faces we never see), those who controlled or high functioning and experience less pyschosis, those who become enablers and have misplaced sympathy/projection because their own values and boundaries are messed up, perhaps replicating patterns from their own childhood.

Re understanding behaviour and motivation; even people with heinous behaviours do not want to experience the horrificness that is sever emotional distress or psychosis that may be triggered when delusions and beliefs are challenged . It is logically makes sense that will try to do what they have to do to prevent that, but they are more freed from normal rules and boundaries so they may do anything, by any means, but of course it does not excuse this and if we can recognsie it for what it is, healthy people need to step in to maintain boundaries.

Trouble is so many people are fucked up by this never ending pattern of male abuse that we don't seem to have many rational people left, and healthy people are more constrained by healthy rules and part of the malignancy of certain disorders is the constant rule breaking etc, and healthy people just don't experience the same level of compulsion that drives some of the behaviours we see. Its so far from normal.

Excuse me if this is not very well put across, I am not good at typing quickly.

JY is dangerous. Anyone who has been living in a fantasy bubble where they get their own way is likely to behave unpredictably when people begin to say "no". Those who wave illegal weapons around on a public live stream show that they have poor judgment and/or no inhibition. This worries me a lot.

The key will be the RCMP.

Will treat Yaniv in the same way as any other person they come across? Or will they believe that the trans cannot be subjected to normal policing? Or maybe Oger has convinced them that Yaniv is not trans?

Either way Canada is in a huge mess. Unless they amend their legislation this will not be the last case like this.

That's the billion dollar question right there really. There is something but it's so hard to define perhaps because there are actually multiple somethings iykwim.

I agree, multiple agendas and I'm still not sure if I understand all of them. I have a few half formed thoughts or ideas:

People with gender dysphoria who want greater acceptance within society and have been persuaded that the TRA approach is the best way to achieve it.

The TRM has been infiltrated by MRA"s, incels, paedophiles and sexual predators in order to influence law and social attitudes in order to further their own agendas.

Queering society doesn't eliminate discrimination or oppression it simply removes the binary categories and language that provide the means to identify it, measure the effects and discuss possible solutions. This has the potential to impact everyone's human rights. Is this strategic or accidental?

I'd be interested if others have different ideas.

I see what you're saying Kat and I've always thought the same...But Haddock et all have at times taken a step back and reigned it in (simmering under the surface) but reigned in. The tendency to brazen it out i.e. "I didn't say that" "It wasn't me" then deflect or distract. That's textbook.. they have enough self awareness to know when to do this.

JY is, I don't know, an anomaly? Because there are no pauses, no reigning back, just continual escalation.

I hope the police takethis threat seriously as JYs behaviour is continuing to esculate.

Invitations to BW to visit, then brandishing a taser was a subtle threat.

This is now an actual death threat against a woman with kids in his close proximity.

This is a very dangerous man with serious personality disorder(s).

And now he’s looking for someone registered to give him a massage

Maybe the way we can see what it is...is by working out what the outcomes will be. I think we become so caught up in the day to day drama (hands up here) that it becomes harder to step back and look at things as a whole picture. Actually picture is probably not the right word, jigsaw may be better... we need to isolate what the outcome (pieces) are then connect them together.

Yes, backwards engineering, it often helps with stuff like this. I have tried it in this case but I have not found it as helpful as I'd hoped.

I really think there are several different factions involved, that's not quite the right word. There are the people who are the BPD, NPD, types, and they are out for what people like that are always out for. But I don't think they are really looking for some sort of defined social outcome, if that makes sense? At least not overall, I tend to think many don't have the control of their intellect that would allow for that sort of planning.

Then there are the nice woke progressive types. The same sort of people who seem to want to control thinking in other areas, who deploy terms like bigot or racist to characterise anything that even begins to think unsanctioned thoughts. Some are more militant than others but my feeling overall is that these people are not driving the bus.

Where do the political leaders fit in? Maybe many belong to the second group. But it does seem like there is something more, someone more? Maybe the problem is it goes beyond the trans agenda, that is only one small manifestation.

I keep returning lately to Camille Paglia and her claim that what we are seeing is the late stages of a decaying society. Is that just a sort of human social entropy, or is there someone who is looking to benefit from that, who might want to hurry it up? All of Plato's criticisms of democracy seem to be coming home to roost, and the next stage he says is always a tyranny, probably a brutal one.

Plattercake Thank you. That was impressive. You helped articulate my admittedly fumbling (Friday night wine involved) attempts. Yes there will be multiple people (men) involved and some of those men will also have agendas kept hidden from the wider group, or perhaps not.

TurboTeddy yes there are definitely paedophilic overtones. What could be another consequence of underdeveloped children? Inability to breed?

I keep returning lately to Camille Paglia and her claim that what we are seeing is the late stages of a decaying society

I know what you mean - I actually find it quite frightening to think about. Combined with climate catastrophe, and talk of the break down of civilisation, it is terrifying.

See also - Jennifer Pritzker and transhumanism. I think this is a revolution.

There are plenty of people with NPD that have considerable intellect and are able to use it, although not always/normally in a good way.

Political climate is reminiscent of the 1930s: two Labour Parties, three Liberal Parties, and the Tories in charge despite being responsible for the mess. No one listening to Keynes, etc.

What we have now is the growing realistation of the NeoCon vision of a self-disenfranchised lower class voting for a self-chosen elite who feed them a diet of patriotic fairy stories whilst the Ayn Rand's Atlas types get to rule the world and stash the profits away from oversight and taxation. (Because only the little people pay taxes...)

As Leo Strauss put it:

"our own principles, including the belief in progress, will become as unconvincing and alien as all earlier principles had shown themselves to be (and) ...the only way out seems to be ... that one voluntarily choose life-giving delusion instead of deadly truth, that one fabricate a myth"

I think this is a revolution

Zebras I think you might be right.

Dana JY is just more ill. More/differently symptomatic. If this was a delusion about being Elvis or reptiles the behaviours would look very similar but 'being trans' is meant to stop us seeing that. Its wrong and dangerous.

Strategic I believe Teddy but also as a way of normalising. Even normalising is 'normal'. Banding together for survival, that part at least is constructive rather than immediately annihilating.

We need to be getting a handle on mental disorder though. POMO/ existentialism/ queer theory could be influenced by people experiencing depersonalisation etc (even diagnosed temporal lobe epilepsy which can give the most unsettling experiences), its just that it has gained traction as intellectualism rather then being seen as people writing about their symptoms and eperiences of mental illness. Some disorders will always misplace blame or misinterpret, its not exactly deliberate or rational.

Perhaps where religions have fallen and so many are traumatised by mass warfare etc, mass childhood abuse (which it is) more people are messed up and are susceptible to identifying with such numbness and dysfunction and have seized on a narrative that they feel explains their feelings and enables their maladaptive behaviours.

Nothing's going to be done about those (credible, IMO) threats Yaniv made, is it?

He made them on KF - and unless the woman in his building knows he means her - and makes a complaint, the police aren't going to act. I would think.

Right, I hadn't watched the Rebel video so understand now why JS doesn't think JY is dangerous.

Y is dangerous, and imo does have some sort of mh condition. They're being completely enabled by the system on top of this.

Okay thanks for the Elvis analogy plattercake. I get it now, I had a neighbour as a child who thought she was a member of the Royal Family. I've lived in OZ all my life if that helps put things in perspective.

Zebras I think JY has enough infamy in Canada that the general public are keeping an eye out. I would hope that "Kitty" has made some contact with GC locals over twitter discussions. If so I know they have her back, because if she were in our countries we'd do the same.

OZ is rushing to catch up to Canada

Actually it's Ireland that is right on Canada's heels.
However, you won't notice it in rural Ireland, which is where I live. It's all pretty conservative around here. And I'm beginning to appreciate that.
Anything but woke.

Its incredibly complex, but I think we can break it down at the personal level. Family dynamics, threats etc, the was the brain responds to threat eg existential threat or horror that some people may experience during abuse or neglect, especially during childhood. How the brain may maladapt. I'd like us to be able to diagnose mental illness with rational humanity and so we can look at the causes. Then we can maybe do something.

There was a link to the Metro the other day to a crime where a born-female victim (am respecting rules here to not get deleted) was having to give evidence about their sexual abuse by a man when they were young and described 'going somewhere in their mind' to escape it... this young female person is now identifying as trans. This is too common and sound like dissociation but I have not often seen it reported, more often glossed over. If abuse happens very young then there will not be the understanding or awareness to notice make the correct sense of things, too many children find life incomprehensible and frightening already before CSA placing them at greater risk.

Thankfully, the damage is not so severe in all victims, or is different, but it is in some and there is little to no help for such people, or worse the 'help' provided by toxic enablers like the Webberleys who actually reify and worsen symptoms not heal them, and/or men who will mercilessly and sociopathically exploit loopholes etc.

I think humans just can't cope with big societies, we aren't equipped for mentally yet, not enough people have the skills and so think this makes the risk worse and the distractions more effective.

humans just can't cope with big societies
I said something along similar lines during a discussion with a dear friend tonight. She'd recently been feeling overwhelmed with anxiety. She's in a better place now (prior to our talk I'm not claiming credit here).

Lamahaha Nooo. I don't want to hear it. My family roots, before being shipped off to OZ started in Ireland..