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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

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HopeMumsnet · 07/08/2019 13:08

Hi all,
As you can see, we have made several deletions on this thread. We are getting a significant amount of reports about it, and we can see that it has become rather fractious and personal.
We would be very grateful it the discussion could get back on track if the thread is to remain.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:09

I have done nothing of the sort, so don't even dare say I have.
I have SAID that I don't agree with fetish tents at Pride.
Read back.
Don't even try to twist what I've said.
Nowhere have I done what you're accusing me of.

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 13:10

The discussion is circular, it always is with early and Roses.

It’s circular because we respond. You then repeat the same points over and over while simultaneously ignoring what we’ve said.

Then you try implying we’re men or hate woman or whatever you can to discredit us, because you clearly don’t see your points alone as good enough, you have to discredit the opposing voices instead.

It infuriates a lot of you that people like me and roses and bespin don’t get bullied off here. You can’t bare it.

So you make out that our points just aren’t worth it. Yet you continue replying, not to our words, but to drown us out.

You can’t just accept people have different opinions and actually debate the points, you have to get as personal and manipulative as you possibly can.

It reminds me of my ex. I wasn’t a good enough woman because I didn’t believe in what he thought woman should be doing, wasn’t a good enough mother because I kept getting things wrong (note wrong meant not the way he wanted) and everything I did he laughed at me. Everything I said, my opinions, my facts, whatever it was, was never good enough. I wasn’t allowed an opinion because it was wrong. And when I stopped bothering trying to make him see what I was saying or what I felt and let him twist away, he made out like I was the abuser.

That is exactly how some of you act on here. You’re quick to point out when the other side do it but not when you’re doing it yourselves.

And it’s all because you care about woman? Of course it is.

This place is so toxic. I didn’t even bother reporting your posts earlier because it says more about you than it does about me.

Anyway, my kids will be home soon, I’ll be back later if the threads still running to see what delights you can come up with next Star

Datun · 07/08/2019 13:11

I suggest we ignore roses. And early, although I think they've gone.

And simply talk about the opening post.

I really would like this thread to remain. It's an eye-opener, to be sure.

@HopeMumsnet

Can you be more specific about what is and isn't allowed? So people can understand exactly what you mean?

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 13:12

What are you doing about the concerns you have Roses?

Datun · 07/08/2019 13:12

Oh, you haven't gone early, my mistake.

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 13:12

If some lesbiansdowant to include transwomen, why can't they?

They can. But if they are having sex with someone with a penis they are bo longer lesbians.

No one is saying women shouldnt have sex with trans women. Just that if they do, they are not lesbians.

Look at the vegan analogy. If you are vegan that includes eggs. You are not vegan. You are a vegetarian. Vegans dont have to sit back an accept someone who says 'I dont fit the definition of vegan but i am one' and not challenge it

There is a word for vegans who eat eggs. Its vegetarian.

Just like there is a word for women who have sex and relationships with biological women AND biological men. Its bi sexual.

That's what they are. They do not fit the dictionary or legal definition of lesbian.

They are not lesbians. If they dont like the word 'bi sexual' come up with another word. Rather than claim they are lesbian. Which has a protected status.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:12

It’s circular because we respond. You then repeat the same points over and over while simultaneously ignoring what we’ve said

EXACTLY, how on earth do people not get this?
You're just expected to ignore everything thrown at you.
Toxic is an understatement.
Care about women?
No,it seems only women like them. That all other women don't matter a jot.

Datun · 07/08/2019 13:14

It infuriates a lot of you that people like me and roses and bespin don’t get bullied off here. You can’t bare it.

Lol. On the contrary. Why do you think I engage?

Every time you refute what the women are claiming, more evidence comes up to support it. It's invaluable.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:14

because you clearly don’t see your points alone as good enough, you have to discredit the opposing voices instead. It infuriates a lot of you that people like me and roses and bespin don’t get bullied off here. You can’t bare it

This,
Couldn't be doing with bullying at school and I'm about to take it even less as an adult.
That isn't DARVO before the next rule for everything gets wheeled out. it is LITERALLY the truth.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 13:15

You can’t just accept people have different opinions and actually debate the points, you have to get as personal and manipulative as you possibly can.

I’m not willing to be courteous to posters who show disregard for basic child safeguarding and are lesbophobic. Some opinions are valid, others are not.

Nobody is ‘infuriated’ by ‘different opinions’, or by the presence of people who are here purely to insult this board and the regulars here. Any frustration is about the way lesbian women are being treated, the defence of it, and the attitudes towards child safeguarding- you in particular Early.

zebrasdontwearbras · 07/08/2019 13:15

It infuriates a lot of you that people like me and roses and bespin don’t get bullied off here. You can’t bare it.

No, it infuriates me that lesbians cannot assert their sexual orientation at Pride.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 13:15

Agree with Datun, this thread is invaluable.

It is also being watched like a hawk so please don’t breach guidelines, anyone!

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:16

Lol. On the contrary. Why do you think I engage?

Lol. Not surprised in the slightest that the point has gone whooooooshing over.
As you do it a lot yourself, I don't expect you to get it though.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 13:16

it is LITERALLY the truth.

It isn’t. It’s your opinion about this conversation. Your opinion isn’t ‘literally’ the truth. Sorry to break it to you.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 13:17

Couldn't be doing with bullying at school and I'm about to take it even less as an adult.

Nobody is bullying you, in fact you’re extremely aggressive and frequently insulting, and you seem to think you are here to do the moderators job for them.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:17

Nobody is ‘infuriated’ by ‘different opinions’,

So why the constant belittling, trying to discredit and smear people, name calling, or rolls of laughter emoticon?
As Early said, it's poisonous but some are too far in to see.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:19

I for one haven't thrown even one insult. Or tried to insinuate anything against other posters.

Trohmaniac · 07/08/2019 13:19

I have done nothing of the sort, so don't even dare say I have.
I have SAID that I don't agree with fetish tents at Pride.
Read back.
Don't even try to twist what I've said.
Nowhere have I done what you're accusing me of.

You have agreed with Early's posts again and again and they posted what I quoted. Either you agree with that or you don't. You have clearly sided with someone who is defending paedophilic behaviour at Pride. So what does that mean if not that you also defend that behaviour?

merrymouse · 07/08/2019 13:19

I don’t see pride as a child-friendly event and wouldn’t bring my children. It’s up to individual parents what they do and it is there job to safeguard their own children at a public event.

Public events are by their nature child friendly because public space is child friendly unless it is explicitly stated that children aren't allowed to enter.

There is nothing about being gay that isn't 'child friendly'. Gay people are just as boring as heterosexual people and it's really unclear why a Pride event in the middle of the day in a public space should have any more connection to fetishes than a village fete.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 13:19

Look at the vegan analogy. If you are vegan that includes eggs. You are not vegan. You are a vegetarian. Vegans dont have to sit back an accept someone who says 'I dont fit the definition of vegan but i am one' and not challenge it

I was so tempted to use this analogy! There are so many like this who insert themselves into the vegan community and insist their ‘reducitarianism’ or whatever BS word is the latest thing, is still veganism... or if they use honey on wednesdays or some other bullshit. NO. Words have meanings.

Datun · 07/08/2019 13:20

I've asked HQ to clarify what exactly it is they think might get the thread pulled.

Lol. Not surprised in the slightest that the point has gone whooooooshing over.

What, someone saying how infuriated I am, and me saying no, I'm not 🤣

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 13:20

RosesAndRaindrops don’t quote part of a sentence and expect me to answer

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 13:20

Your opinion isn’t ‘literally’ the truth. Sorry to break it to you

No. Opinions aren't truth. Opinions are that, opinions. Subjective.
The bullying on here IS happening though, whether you want to accept that or not.

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 13:20

How am I lesbophobic jessica?

Please don’t give me generic BS or change anything I’ve specifically said. For you to throw such an accusation at me, I assume you have lots of evidence to back it up, yes?

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