Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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Stop twisting and deflecting Roses, are you unable to grasp that conversations move on and cover different albeit linked aspects?

You still hold the view that the Pup Play Tent was not set up to entice children, despite being given details of how it was set up? Furthermore, if the tent was for adults only would you not have expected there to be some indication of this and for those within the tent to refuse entry to children instead of welcoming them and sitting next to them with a visible erection? But of course in your world this behaviour is nothing compared to lesbians protesting their rights under the legal definition of lesbian.

No lesbian with the history of Peter Tatchell would be allowed within a million miles of leading a Pride parade.

But we all know all too well how the LGBT scene has faught to distance itself from the once huge amounts of people comparing them to pedophiles.
But many LGBT organisations are not distancing themselves at the moment, are they? That's the problem. They are actually embracing the extremely worrying people we are concerned about.
Aren't you concerned?

But we all know all too well how the LGBT scene has faught to distance itself from the once huge amounts of people comparing them to pedophiles.

And yet they have managed to get in the back door, by calling themselves queer.

People acting out their fetishes and involving the no consenting public and children, bringing children into their tenets, having kids activities in their tents walking around the city centre involving shoppers in their sexual games is wrong. When you get sexual kicks out of involving kids on your fet play.

You are a peadophile. This almost happened at various pride events.

Again, no on said lebisans cant be wrong.

But its fucked up when fet play is part of pride, but lesbians who believe you have to be female to be a lesbian (as does the law) arent welcome.

You can be kicked out for believing lesbianism its exclusive to females. But it's cool if you involve kids in your sex games at pride

Again, who would accept this fet play in a city centre any other day part from pride. Why is it ok at pride?

How the hell did they convince people they cone under the banner of queer?

How are they managing to convince people its anti gay, to not want people acting g out their fetishes in public?

If LGBTQ organisations want to distance themseleves from paedophiles. They need to distance themseleve from people encouraging children to be involved in fet play. From men who think 9 years olds can enjoy sex.

Oh and the cries of ‘lesbians don’t have penis’ is clearly a dig at all transgender woman, not just the TRA. It is not the words, the words make sense, it is the intent.

Oh dear lord. It's not a 'dig'. This isn't school.

It's stating, unequivocally, that the word lesbian is defined as an adult human female who is same-sex attracted. As protected by law.

No man, whatever he says, however he identifies, can ever be a lesbian. He is the wrong sex.

No lesbian with the history of Peter Tatchell would be allowed within a million miles of leading a Pride parade.

This ^ or be used as an LGBT+ spokesperson by major organisations and mainstream media.

If the LGBT+ community don’t want to be associated or connected or spoken of in the same sentence as pedophiles or apologists for them, then don’t fucking have them at the head of the parades.

I have to say Earlywalker that's actually a very well written post about your opinion, very well put too.
And I'm not saying that to be patronising either.

But we all know all too well how the LGBT scene has faught to distance itself from the once huge amounts of people comparing them to pedophiles.

Do you not think that because of this people are now jumped very quickly on for expressing concern when pointing out massive safeguarding redflags and dodgy characters within LGBT organisations?

And I think LGBT+ orgs associating with anyone using misogynistic slurs on a regular basis also makes them look like wankers. Lesbophobic wankers.

Oh and the cries of ‘lesbians don’t have penis’ is clearly a dig at all transgender woman, not just the TRA. It is not the words, the words make sense, it is the intent.

No it isnt

Its fact. Lesbians do not have penises. It's a factual statement.

Why would some be so desperate to label themseleves a lesbian when it's not accurate?

Why do trans women and the women in relationships with them, have to keep the label of lesbian.

Why is that so important to them? Why cant they not accept they are bi? Why is the label of Bi so horrible that they cant use it?

By listing LGBT pedophiles shows exactly where your heads at.

Indeed it does. You asked me to.

You are claiming that paedophiles are not using LGBT as a Trojan horse. And now you're moaning that I'm showing you how they are.

But we all know all too well how the LGBT scene has faught to distance itself from the once huge amounts of people comparing them to pedophiles.

I know I've shown you exactly how many people who say they are LGBT, but are dodgy as fuck, the 'LGBT scene' needs to do it again.

Pride, Stomewall, pink news. Why aren't they doing it?

Why is that so important to them? Why cant they not accept they are bi? Why is the label of Bi so horrible that they cant use it?

Validation.

Oh and the cries of ‘lesbians don’t have penis’ is clearly a dig at all transgender woman, not just the TRA. It is not the words, the words make sense, it is the intent.

The dictionary, legal definitions, medicine, reality - every fucking thing is interpreted as a dig by some men who identify as women.

Maybe it's a revolutionary idea but I'd suggest that being honest with yourself about who you are, including your sex (which is immutable) is the only route to peace of mind. You cannot create a stable, resilient identity if you have to depend on ignoring facts and trying to force everyone else to ignore them too. Bullying people into nodding along is no substitute for a realistic estimation of yourself and your sex.

That's why transsexuals like Miranda Yardley, who know they're male and freely admit it, seem so much more at ease. Miranda doesn't need to bully anyone.

@Datun and I wonder why they believe their validation is more important.

you can see I joined MN 6 years ago, do you think I joined so I could build up stories of my family under multiple names

I don't think you can see when someone joined can you? Only how long they have been posting under a particular name.

This thread is not harsh at all, but my point was, there seems to be two tiers of judgment from some.

For women wanting to maintain boundaries:

• NO T**Fs at Pride!
• you are all bigots!
• you think you can be rude to people!

For men who (seemingly) want to push boundaries:

• its up to parents to safeguard kids (not us)
• pups could be doing sex acts in tent and a kid just ran in - all good!
• What’s wrong with Tatchell leading Pride - some women kill their kids!

But we all know all too well how the LGBT scene has faught to distance itself from the once huge amounts of people comparing them to pedophiles.

NO.

We all know how hard the L and the G had to work to eliminate and distance themselves from actual and well-documented attempts at paedophile infiltration in the 1970s and early 80s.

And we're pointing out how the current LGBTQWERTY has enthusiastically embraced queer theory and is in denial about the current infiltration attempts.

It will not end well.

RosesAndRaindrops I don't get what people aren't getting about this - it's nothing to do with the fact they're lesbians.
It's the fact that some protesters who happen to be lesbian were being exclusive and protesting against trans people.

Once again:

You are peddling a false narrative.

The protest was started by members of TransPride.

Members of TransPride spotted a small group of lesbians DOING NOTHING OTHER THAN BEING PRESENT AT PRIDE and set upon them, surrounding them, shouting at them and asking the police to remove them.

The only people who protested back against people protesting at them WERE THE LESBIANS.

So stop with your defence of this reprehensible, unashamed display of homophobia, stop condoning this lesbophobia.

As you say, people who are protested against should have the right to protest back. That's what the lesbians did.

Oh and the cries of ‘lesbians don’t have penis’ is clearly a dig at all transgender woman, not just the TRA. It is not the words, the words make sense, it is the intent.

9th rule of misogyny: Men [and their non-men allies] always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

Not deflecting.
Just replying to what's already on the thread.

When someone says lesbians don't have penises, the intent is to say just that.

This is Harrop all over again.

Great post @EarlyWalker - that's exactly how I see it too.

This discussion seems to be going around in an unbroken circle.

Members of TransPride spotted a small group of lesbians DOING NOTHING OTHER THAN BEING PRESENT AT PRIDE and set upon them, surrounding them, shouting at them and asking the police to remove them

If you ask me, the anger and the fury and the barely repressed violent instinct in that vile display is a consequence of those people seeing themselves reflected in the eyes of brave and courageous women who won't hide what they see, who won't lie and pretend they see something else.