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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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MrsSnippyPants · 04/08/2019 16:41

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MinnieTheSphinx · 04/08/2019 21:43

For all the talk of protestors being shouted down etc, we all know full well that if the shoe had been on the other foot and it had been a massive, noisy protest everyone on here would be saying how wonderful it was... probably with the inevitable tedious 'the tide is really turning isn't it?' comment thrown in. But, of course, it wasn't a big protest, it was the same tiny group of bigots with banners who were given short shrift for the umpteenth time and, no, not just by 'men' but by almost every lesbian, straight and bi woman there.

NottonightJosepheen · 04/08/2019 21:45

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PennysPocket · 04/08/2019 21:45

No worries Bespin
I am starting to think these anti trans signs do not exist seen as not 1 person on this thread can tell me what the signs said or how they are anti trans.... More lies maybe?

Goosefoot · 04/08/2019 21:46

I've not seen the banners in Leeds, but the ones at other Prides have said 'lesbians don't have penises' and 'lesbians = female homosexuals'.
The trans lobby see these as bigoted

I suppose the question is, how "neutrally" are those meant to be interpreted.
In some sense they are just a factual statement about lesbians, and you could say that at Pride, they are just one opinion amongst others and should stand on that basis. By the same token someone else could have a sign saying TWAW and that could stand.

I can also see the POV that might say that no signs that could be interpreted as a political statement should be at Pride, in which case you'd have people but neither of those kinds of signs would really be ok since they are both controversial.

My reading has been that what has been happening in most instances is the TWAW type of sign has been present in the last number of years, perhaps with the assumption that everyone was ok with it, and the lesbian signs were a reaction to that, which precipitated an immoderate response by the trans supporters.

The mistake perhaps has been to kick one group out while supporting the other, or to allow one group to make a political statement and not the other. I can see how the no exclusion mantra got them to that way of thinking, but it doesn't really do justice to the issue.

TheInebriati · 04/08/2019 21:47

The sign said ''Lesbian = Female homosexual''.

Which is the protected characteristic and its definition listed in the Equality Act.

The only political party openly trying to get rid of the Equality Act is UKIP, who are on the wrong side of history imho.

FloralBunting · 04/08/2019 21:48

See? It's reflexive. Small amount of protestors. Verbal tic.

And I do love Early coming back to repeat "I didn't say they should expect to be intimidated, but if you publicly say you are a homosexual female who won't accept a penis even if the owner thinks they are a woman, you can expect to be intimidated..."

SophoclesTheFox · 04/08/2019 21:49

July 10th 2019- 700 women got together on a Wednesday night in central London to talk about women’s sport and how to protect the ability of women and girls to compete in female only events.

Even though we couldn’t know until about four hours before where the venue actually was. It was next to parliament square, by the way, in a venue I was last in for a huge work conference. Very, very mainstream.

There were a number of former Olympians there.

But sure, it’s a handful of bigots on the internet.

Are you sure?

Earlywalker · 04/08/2019 21:52

No, if you’re going to protest something controversial (or indeed, anything) you need to be prepared that people will disagree.

It is ridiculous, foolish and naive to think that anyone can say anything they want with no backlash. If these protestors expected that then more fool them.

They have the right to say freely what they believe, opposers have the right to speak freely too.

Free speech isn’t only extended to those who agree with you.

FloralBunting · 04/08/2019 21:55

Ah, yes, free speech has consequences. If those uppity lesbians want to say publicly at Pride that they don't accept any male at all sexually or romantically, then they certainly should expect that to be controversial and they will face enormous opposition for that outrageous statement.

Earlywalker · 04/08/2019 21:55

There were 8 protestors at pride (I wasn’t there so going by earlier info)

This is what we’re discussing.

8 woman were told to leave.

This does not equal lesbians not being welcome at pride as thousands of lesbians stayed happily with no conflict.

The small number is fact within the discussion. I see it’s hitting a nerve but you cannot make this an anti lesbian thing with a total number of 8 (possible but not confirmed) lesbians.

Barracker · 04/08/2019 21:56

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SophoclesTheFox · 04/08/2019 21:57

Except for the fact that their only action was to state what a lesbian is...

At pride...

FloralBunting · 04/08/2019 21:57

Yes, you do like to sneer at the number of women who stood up and spoke out about their rights. As you keep saying, if they would only shut up about being homosexual like all the compliant lesbians, they'd be welcome.

cwg1 · 04/08/2019 21:58

But Early, it isn't GCers who are trying to stop free speech. It really isn't.

Earlywalker · 04/08/2019 21:58

I don’t know who you think you are to tell me to ‘stop’

For starters you’ve clearly not bothered reading what I’ve actually said. How lazy.

SeaWitchly · 04/08/2019 21:59

I agree with a PP... I would have been protester no.9 but I am not brave enough. I work in a very woke industry, one which markets itself on being LGBT friendly. I actually work with many female same-sex couples and am very supportive of lesbian rights particularly in fertility and family building, equality with heterosexual couples, etc.
It would be career suicide for me to be smeared with the term bigot. I know I am not, I am very live and let live amongst consenting adults but I draw the line at promoting trans women as lesbians and MAP as a lifestyle choice Hmm

littlbrowndog · 04/08/2019 21:59

Barracker. So fucking right

Bespin · 04/08/2019 22:00

Except for the fact that their only action was to state what a lesbian is...

At pride...

and most people either ignored them or told them they were not interested in them. they then went on to show support for trans people.

TheInebriati · 04/08/2019 22:01

"If you are silent about your pain, they'll kill you and say you enjoyed it" – Zora Neale Hurston

FloralBunting · 04/08/2019 22:03

Bespin does love all that adulation from the people who chant at and intimidate lesbians. Oh well, we all find our crowd, I guess.

ClosdesMouches · 04/08/2019 22:03

Well said barracker.

littlbrowndog · 04/08/2019 22:03

Why would they not be interested in what lesbians had to say at pride bespin ?

Bespin · 04/08/2019 22:05

because they would rather listen to the 1000s of other lesbians who do not have this issue with trans people maybe?

Bespin · 04/08/2019 22:08

to be honest I love this day becuse it let's me know that on here is not the reality you paint it as, the reality is out there were 8 people appose us and 1000s cheer us on. not just lgbt people but lots of people from all walks of life support trans people and especially trans youth and that fills me with joy as I hope that there life's will be easier with that support.

littlbrowndog · 04/08/2019 22:09

How’s that ?

Where are the 1000 on that vid it’s some guys and some women.

Do you not get it’s a problem.