Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

Floral yep, and I think they're so un-self-aware that they won't even know what your post is referring to, re the wholly inappropriate jokey knob humour just there

I haven’t, and have no desire to, read all of his back catalogue, but has he written about the relief of his dysphoria? The reduction in mental distress? The reduction in suicidal thoughts that comes with people physically transitioning that us big bad people are depriving children?

I’ll hazard a guess the answer is “no”, and “don’t hold your breath”.

pombear

you appear to be singling me out on lots of threads today. I'm fully aware I made a knob joke I have seen many being made in threads on here are all those people un self aware too or was it OK if it was aimed at trans woman.

You wildly misread the tone, bespin. No one found it amusing that a picture of an aroused penis was stumbled upon. Yes, women do sometimes joke about penises. But not in the context of someone unwillingly seeing one aroused, in the wider context of a thread about a man clearly getting off on the idea of himself with prepubescent breasts.

We tend to find that sort of thing unbearably creepy. You didn't seem to understand that nuance of experience at all. I found that noteworthy, as I find your attitudes to safeguarding, and other assorted stuff.

FloralBunting

jolly good carry on, on mums net woman joke about penis a lot usually in relation to trans woman and then its so so funny. but you are welcome to think what you like, just maybe not the personal attacks eh.

I mean comedy is such a subjective thing I bet you found the Ricky guevas thing funny where I didn't. you know sometimes the jokes are not for you.

I haven't attacked you bespin. I don't particularly like you, but all I've done is notice that you used inappropriate humour about dicks when women were actually discussing something unpleasant. I've seen other people do that, but I wouldn't like to go further because we're approaching the weekend and I know what that tends to mean round these parts.

Actually I'm not keen on Ricky Gervais.

Crack on with your cock jokes. I'm sure the stand up career will be very successful.

FloralBunting

I've seen many inappropriate jokes on here but I don't go around pointing them out or how the poster was un aware. I also don't imply people were aware of safegurding issues or didn't take steps to correct things when they did. But that's just me, maybe in just not being mumsnet enough for people. I will continue to do me and you continue to do you.

Oh, I will, don't you worry. I'm sure my meaning is plain enough.

it's the weekend and past bed time, so will leave it to all the people who pretend on each side to fight stuff out as they seem to do each weekend. personally I just think it la 4chaners having a big laugh but what do I know.

Datun

It used to be some kind of gag for comics, didn't it? 'If I was a woman I'd never go out'.
Yep, just like 'lesbian trapped in a man's body hahahaha' was a bad joke in a crap pub.

How has this become legitimised as an experience to share in a mainstream newspaper?
Cos a man wanted it. Imagine the level of privilege, to be able to literally wank all over your own personal published column, staring down the nation and knowing you'll not only get away with it but be feted for it...

My father in law just turned 60, my daughter is a young teen. Fuck this guy. Fuck this world. incoherent rage noises

For the love of Christmas - in a daily paper? Not in the back pages of a fetish magazine/website. The whole world has gone mad.

Maybe the Telegraph has realised its readership has a lot of AGP in it, and it's seeking to inspire them. Or, and I think more likely, all papers like to have columnists who ruffle the feathers of the readership. I think it may be peak transing a lot more people though, as he's so creepy.

Another reaction of boak here.

Let’s have a more accurate title: “My amazing autogynephilic journey through objectifying women, writing about my fantasies about teenage girls’ breasts in a national newspaper, my astonishing misogyny and why you have to shut the fuck about it or you’re a bigot”.

Gross, gross gross. Get a room, David. With yourself.

The Telegraph isn't renowned for publishing much in the way of trans material, so I'm wondering if the editorial stance is to give this bloke enough rope to peak trans the readership by his own words, without him even being aware he's doing so? After all, it can't be regarded as 'transphobic' if a trans person is writing all this creepy stuff about themselves, can it?

So when the next attention-seeker - or maybe even the next door neighbour - comes along, outing themselves, those readers might just recall this tawdry little tale and think about what's been really been going on behind the scenes with a little more insight. I think it provides a glimpse of the behaviour transwidows and their families have been expected to cope with too.

I'm also curious about a sixty-something-six-footer-with-A/B cup-breasts' potential dating pool. I'm a sixty-something-five-footer-with-A/B cup-breasts and I reckon I'm pretty invisible these days. If he is attracting attention, I very much doubt it's because everyone's thinking 'Whoaar", so perhaps it's just as well he seems so attracted to himself.

For complicated work-related reasons I won't go into, I once had to spend far more time on a couple of particular porn websites than I ever could have wanted to (I worked in the criminal justice system at the time before anyone starts to at me). Although this wasn't the particular area under investigation, I still remember being absolutely amazed at the numbers of what I now know to be AGPs writing their fantasies and experiences. It was a really notable proportion of users of the sites, calling themselves "sissies", referring to their anus as a "pussy" and describing in lascivious detail the feminine clothes - especially lingerie - they were wearing/wanted to wear. After that experience it wouldn't surprise me at all if a fair few of the Telegraph's core demographic read this column with more than intellectual interest. And I am absolutely horrified that "acceptance without exception" and that stupid fucking umbrella has legitimised an out and out sexual fetish and made it mainstream.

I'm also curious about a sixty-something-six-footer-with-A/B cup-breasts' potential dating pool.

That column is pencilled in for later:

“I’ve tried online dating, and as soon as lesbians find out I’m 60 years old and was assigned male at birth, their bigotry shines through”

He’s written about who he will shag once he’s transitioned. It’s a bit garbled and wonky tbh. He talks about men having sex with women being what he likes so when he’s a “woman” he’s going to want to shag men.

I felt a little sorry for him reading that because I really don’t think he’ll have much of a dating pool. And relief that he’s not going to be another of course.

But it’s still all about his desirability as a “woman” and wanting to have what he sees as womanly sex. It’s still the AGP

I too am dismayed that the Telegraph is running this, and the language it is using. "Becoming a woman" is gaslighting bullshit as a man cannot "become" a woman. He is very clearly an AGP who gets off on the idea of him as his own ideal woman.

The terminology he uses is pretty sickening and creepy AF. And the idea that he will "pass" is totally delusional.

who gets off on the idea of him as his own ideal woman

And has uncomfortable fantasies about pubescent and pre-pubescent development that lead to arousal. You'd not think that a suitable topic for humour on a parenting website, really, would you?

Maybe he's channelling his inner Caitlyn? Peas in a pod clearly.

Oh wait, Caitlyn is very rich and part of a high-profile celebrity family...…..

Similar to the unconscious conditioning that might lead someone to misread disgust at seeing an unexpected penis as an opportunity to force inappropriate jokey knob humour into a conversation.

It's like a 'genuine' male or female sorting hat.

If you find knob jokes funny and 'insert them' in whenever you can...then that makes you [insert sex of person that likes and makes knob jokes here].

And it isn't female.

Just remembered India Willoughby on Celebrity Big Brother proudly walking around topless discussing her new boobs with the other "girls". She had a very stereotypical pubescent attitude going on, "look at my boobs, hair cut, make up ......."

so when he’s a “woman” he’s going to want to shag men.

According to Blanchard, was it? and, of course, any trans widow, the male partner is a 'prop'. Completing the fantasy they the AGP is indeed a woman. Because that's how we know of course.

It's all predictable isn't it?