Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

I wasn't even down a rabbit hole. It was a thread Glinner had retweeted. Must be more cautious in future.

you really don't want to be down a rabbit hole with a semi erect penis. lol

The Telegraph is centre right/conservative publication with more male than female readers. I wonder how many of those readers are dads of teenage girls? I wonder what they think reading this article and that David can share changing rooms with their daughters.

SpartacusAutisticus

me too, I'm waiting to see if they do change there pronouns to she and her, maybe they will and suprise us all.

I'd like to know at what point and how David's risk profile changes and he goes from being a (I think we all here agree, creepy) man discussing his breast growth in the same breath as discussing girls puberty, to identifying as a woman and having access to spaces where those girls may be in a state of undress.

Me too.

the media giving them a platform because there famous not because they have any idea what the fk they are talking about then everyone thinks that how it must be because someone famous told us it was

Is he famous? I've never heard of him.

As to the rest. I'm afraid I disagree. He knows exactly what he's talking about. He likes taking hormones to grow male breast tissue, which he enjoys comparing to that of a pre pubescent girl.

It's a process and experience that an overwhelming number of transwomen go through. And he's an expert now. If you haven't done that, I don't know how you can say he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about?

Because he's the authority, not you.

I've not read David Thomas's MRA book "In Defence Of Men" but fortunately someone else did so we don't have to: www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/book-review-now-who-started-it-she-did-not-guilty-in-defence-of-the-modern-man-by-david-thomas-1471605.html

[The context in 1993 for anyone who doesn't know was that men were losing their shit about feminists "infiltrating" the establishment and warping the minds of law makers to persuade them to make marital rape illegal, this is the context this book was written in]

This part of the review particularly stood out as being prescient:

He writes as though 'male' automatically equals 'masculine', as though differences between the sexes are God-given and natural, not socially constructed. Differences between women don't get a look in. Nor do differences to do with class and race.

After criticising women for not fancying men who want to wear frocks (well, it took a while for men to come round to the idea of women wearing trousers - a few hundred years or so), and after suggesting that masculinity is culturally imposed on men, Thomas urges us not to forget the positive values associated with masculinity: 'It is possible to be strong without being oppressive. It is possible to be assertive without being domineering. And it is possible to possess energy, determination and even aggression without being violent or bullying.' Yes, but the qualities spoken of here can be associated with women just as much as with men.

I'm still shocked at the comparison to a pre-teen girl's body. A middle aged man comparing himself to a child FFS in the mainstream press.

I wonder if that would get a red flag in a safeguarding assessment? Hmm... tough one.

What is the turning point from creepy old man to stunning and brave? Who gatekeeps? We as women are told not to question who is in our spaces, so who does get to question it? Acceptance without exception

Incidentally bespin, if you have dyslexia, why don't you use the microphone on your keyboard as you have a smart phone.

You can do punctuation, new paragraphs, brackets, the lot. And it's much quicker.

because I dont want to sit at work or at home talking about this shite. yep david as been around years and as been a knob for all that time.

No, nor would I.

LauraMipsum

this is exactly why I dont like him.

What is the turning point from creepy old man to stunning and brave? Who gatekeeps? We as women are told not to question who is in our spaces, so who does get to question it? Acceptance without exception

Ooh I know this one. Because I spent all evening reading his columns of narcissism. He said “David it is, until David it isn’t”. Which I think means he gets to choose. Isn’t it convenient?

Mind you, in the same column he calls Germaine Greer “no less prejudiced or factually inaccurate than a shaven headed BNP racist” for saying that lopping your penis off doesn’t make you a woman. Because, and this is a great quote common decency and the law say they’re wrong

Common decency and the law tend not to go hand in hand in my experience. And a law that lets a man who is creepily obsessed with his pubescent like breasts become to all intents and purposes a woman is not decent in any way shape or form.

I'd like to know at what point and how David's risk profile changes and he goes from being a (I think we all here agree, creepy) man discussing his breast growth in the same breath as discussing girls puberty, to identifying as a woman and having access to spaces where those girls may be in a state of undress.

When we can no longer refer to him as 'he' on here, we'll know that he has become a Brave and Stunning.

I think he wrote about that in one of his previous columns, how he dreams about the day when he can join the queue to the women's and compare... handbags.

I think it's interesting that this person talks about his swelling chest in a way that I've never encountered a woman actually talking about her body.

Similar to the unconscious conditioning that might lead someone to misread disgust at seeing an unexpected penis as an opportunity to force inappropriate jokey knob humour into a conversation.

I still can't work out who he thinks he's writing for exactly.

Unless they share the same fetish, middle-aged men are either going to think that's weird, downright creepy, or highly offensive.

There is nothing of the, let's call it sexist banter, that you might get with other boysy journalists. Nothing of the nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff that a middle-aged man might smirk at.

A transsexual growing breasts? Who is he writing for? Women aren't going to find that interesting, either. Every single woman on here has a visceral and involuntary reaction of boak.

It's mind-boggling. Quite apart from yuck.

he is writing for himself I think.

he is writing for himself I think.

Most people would use a diary for that, not a national newspaper.

I think that's true, bespin.

but why are they letting him?

Imagine what he would write if he didn't think there were thousands of people reading.

personally I think because it's a closed club and he's in it and it fits there agenda. they are using all of us really they are hyping a fight because it makes news they are like the child's in the playground who shout fight then stand back and watch.

I think it's interesting that this person talks about his swelling chest in a way that I've never encountered a woman actually talking about her body

Spot on. Reminded me of my MtF sibling, proudly offering to show me their new breasts. Ewww. Just like no woman does, ever.