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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph column - not even attempting to hide AGP

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 19:08

It’s behind a paywall, will post screenshots in next post

David Thomas is a 60 year old man, who according to his Telegraph column is still living as a man whatever that means. He is transitioning and he is writing about it in his weekly column. In the past he gave us Not Guilty: The Case in Defence of Men which is described as a rebuttal of feminist charges against men. So I think he’s established his misogyny credentials, which raises the question of why he wants to transition to emulate womanhood?

It’s so clear from the above article that it’s sexual arousal. He talks about his growing breasts in a clearly lascivious way. It’s not even gently disguised or denied. The AGP is front and centre in the article.

Yet we’re still not allowed to discuss it. We’re not allowed to point out that many men get off on the idea of being seen as a woman. They talk about it openly but the activists who seek to remove women’s rights shout us down as bigots for daring to raise it.

Those who are still championing the be nice/what harm can it do still seem to deny that it’s a driver. How? When it is this blatant how can it not be openly discussed and the risks/behaviours openly managed or challenged.

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:06

David Thomas is a dick no one likes him. he wrote a very terrible novel in the 90s about someone having an accidental sex change it was a really bad book.
I would think this is very self serving and he is milking it for all that he can.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:10

But he's still trans right?

Acceptance without exception?

And therefore welcome to join us in female sex-segregated changing spaces to experience his 'sensory shock' at showering with his new boobs right?

And we shouldn't say anything, whilst he's jiggling away in sensory shock, because he's a woman. Because he says so? Right?

What exactly is he 'milking'?

SeaWitchly · 02/08/2019 22:10

Infinite Curve did you scroll through all the screenshots posted - there are 3? Because I felt the same as you about the first screenshot I read... and then I realised there were two more... HmmEnvy

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:12

would think all the money from the telegraph. I have no idea if he's trans he as not transitioned as yet or declared anything other than his original gender so I don't know. I don't like him cos he's a knob not becuse of his trans status.

Melroses · 02/08/2019 22:13

Wrong sort, obviously Hmm

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:15

no just a self centred knob I beleive we are not allowed to like people on here, so carry on by all means.

Datun · 02/08/2019 22:15

Ah, yes, fair enough. The people who ask questions like this are more likely to be girls aged 11 to 13, than men old enough to be their grandfather. There’s something weird, not to say toe-curlingly ‘eeeewww’, about a man of 60 who looks down and sees the breasts of an adolescent girl sprouting on his chest.

Sprouting? Fucking hell it's vomit inducing.

I'm actually sitting here with my legs crossed.

But yes, he can go in the female toilets, female changing rooms and women only everything to share the experiences of adolescent girls and their 'sprouting' bodies.

No bloody wonder GIDS is inundated with teenage girls.

NottonightJosepheen · 02/08/2019 22:15

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pombear · 02/08/2019 22:17

And how do we decide who's 'milking' it and who isn't?

Is Alex Drummond, what with his 'gender bandwith' and beard, 'milking it'? www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

Who decides who's 'milking it'? Is it when it gets a bit close to some home truths for some? Is it when some people don't like it?

Does it depend who is writing the article, and for what publication?

Was Juno Dawson 'milking it' when Juno said a lot of gay men were 'a consolation prize because they couldn't be women'?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-attitude-magazine-interview-transgender-gay-man-lgbt-trans-woman-a7752701.html

I'm confused. Is this one of those 'no true Scotsman' things?

popehilarious · 02/08/2019 22:17

What exactly is he 'milking'?

You just had to ask...

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:19

Pope Grin sorry!

BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 22:19

David Thomas is a dick no one likes him

Wow that’s quite the statement. Did you ask everyone, Bespin or are you speaking with your usual authority?

Regardless of whether anyone likes him or not he is trans because he says he is. That’s how we’re told it works. And nobody - nobody - can tell someone’s gender from looking so we have to accept what people call themselves.

I’ve read through a couple of his back columns - one of which is who will have sex with him as a transgender person - in which he explains sexuality as gender attraction Biscuit

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BretonDinosaur · 02/08/2019 22:21

Sorry posted too soon. All his columns seem to scream AGP. It’s a worrying thing to be celebrated.

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:22

I'm never keen of celebrities who transition thinking that they know all the answers straight away and the media giving them a platform because there famous not because they have any idea what the f**k they are talking about then everyone thinks that how it must be because someone famous told us it was. it does nothing but harm for a number of things. see climate change.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:22

Spartacus - had to read that twice, as wasn't sure whether you were correcting

David Thomas is a dick to
David Thomas has a dick*

or were just carrying on your has/as campaign!

Think it applies to both scenarios!

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Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:26

SpartacusAutisticus

Thank you so much. I would try to teach you not to single people out and make fun of them but you appear beyond that.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:26

Bespin out of interest, was it David's reference to prepubescent girls, jiggling breasts when he runs, and sensory shocks in the showers raising the red flags to you that he might be 'milking' it?

When would you be 'ready' for him to start talking about his transition in the media? I don't think he's particularly famous right now.

Should we pay him no attention? Nothing to see here? He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, despite being on hormones and going through transition as per his own description, becuase, erm, 'climate change'?

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:27

I genuinely try not to swear so much even though I'm a adult I think it's nicer if we don't.

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:29

pombear

make of him what you will, I have my own view of him and what he is trying to do and why they are promoting him. He appears to have a lot of friends who edit newspapers.

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:29

Waves at bespin

Hi - still trying to learn here. As per my previous questions.

Who decides he's 'milking it'?

What defines 'milking it'?

When is it OK for him to talk about his transition?

Should we ignore him, and focus on the 'right' transwomen's stories?

pombear · 02/08/2019 22:32

We crossed posts. Thanks for that clarification.

So your view of him is what? Is he a not-true trans? Are his editor friends forcing him to grow jiggling breasts?

What I love about this board is it's a conversation, and I'd love to know your views about the whys regarding this, rather than you just calling him a dick (despite your aim not to swear too much!)

Bespin · 02/08/2019 22:34

I think his columns are badly written, and they are paying him for that also it's been done over and over about people's transitions many times we are more than our transition. he can talk about what he wants and I will come on here and say its rubbish like everyone else. I don't like all trans people not because they are trans but because I think they are self centred dicks.

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