Jo Swinson - Define woman please.

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So Jo Swinson has been elected new Lib Dem leader.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49076118

This is a woman who is happy to play to the crowd and spout shit about TWAW.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3642634-ffs-libdems-totally-lost-cause?pg=2

Here we go again...

Hey Jo - how can you protect and uphold women's hard-won sex-base rights if you think that men are women?

Jeez. I really thought we had covered this shit back in the 70s...

How can we be sure she's actually a woman though? Maybe that isn't how she defines herself.

I must say I always base my political decisions on what Serena Williams says.

Mumsnet has 12 million (I think it's 14 now), unique users per month. That's individuals, looking, visiting, reading. Whether registered or not.

So yes, it's a massive audience. And politicians really should ask themselves why they're too frightened to account for themselves here.

Serena Williams is not a champion because she is kind to her opponents.
Have you ever seen her at the net ?

Jo Swinson - totally underwhelming and uninspiring. The Liberals really irritate me these days.

Problem is that Jo is basically held to ransom by the woke core of the party.
At the centre of its philosophy is personal freedom which is why it was always the most progressive of the parties regard LGB issues.
After the debacle of Tim Farron it will be very difficult for Jo to be Gender critical. She's trapped!

Bad. Lots of horribly framed questions

Ds2 had one in his chemistry exam

I blame gove

I would venture that the vast majority of MN users come on to vent about in-laws or get advice about child development, not to engage in debate around trans rights. (Whatever one feels on the matter, it's not the main focus of the site.) I'm not sure she'd get such a kicking from the majority as you think.

This thread makes me sad.
At a time when we should be celebrating a woman's success in becoming a political leader, instead we snipe from the sidelines.

I am furious that the new leader of my party - and a woman to boot - is happy to go along with a mad ideology that hurts women and children and goes against reality. Jo Swinson's success is meaningless if this is the quality of her thinking. I voted for her, but only because I won't vote for a smug bloke who thinks he can tell women what it means to be a woman.

Has she not heard about Yaniv, 'Karen White', etc.? Cases like these are the logical conclusion of the ideology Jo Swinson supports so enthusiastically. She is allowing personal friendships to influence her conduct as a politician - or maybe she is too scared of certain individuals to stand up for herself. It's embarrassing and nothing to celebrate.

Nancydrawn

I don't know what most people come on here for. But I do know that the feminist board is the third most popular board on the entire site.

And that access to the site through the feminist board has increased twelvefold in one month. It's generating a lot of interest.

Being robustly questioned should be part of a politician's lot.

If you can't account for yourself, you shouldn't be in the job. I have yet to see a single politician even manage to define the word woman.

It's an absolute joke.

And does Jo Swinson know she is smiling in that photo with someone who is about to marry a self-confessed paedophile?

I'm not sure she'd get such a kicking from the majority as you think

tell that to Ed Davey

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3614469-Webchat-with-Ed-Davey-Lib-Dem-leadership-candidate-on-Tuesday-18-June-at-1-30pm

This thread makes me sad.
At a time when we should be celebrating a woman's success in becoming a political leader, instead we snipe from the sidelines.

The last PM was a woman. We didn’t rejoice in the streets.

www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/07/21/jo-swinson-said-trans-rights/

Someone did an interview with her about all this for the 'Social Review'

This is so frustrating.

I'm politically homeless and being Anti-Brexit, not a BJ fan and definitely not a Corbyn one means that the LibDems would be a logical choice for me.

I'm sure it's not only me feeling this way.

So, Jo, what is the definition of woman?

And does Jo Swinson know she is smiling in that photo with someone who is about to marry a self-confessed paedophile?

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Do I even want to know? (Been away on holiday)

I just had a look at the resounding success that was Ed's web chat.

I don't think we'll see Jo here, TBH. Unless she has bigger balls than him.

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Perhaps I'm wrong. My sense is that the feminism board is home to a small but vocal minority of the MN users. Not surprised if it were the third most commented upon board, but I imagine it has more posts per user than your average board.

Again, I could be wrong. And you're certainly right that the vocal minority (if they are such) would show up to grill a politician, as is entirely their right.

Frankly, I find the politics a bit confusing. Coming from an American perspective, much of the rhetoric you hear on this board has far more in common with the Republican Convention than anything else. I suppose feminist energy in America also leans far more to third wave than second wave. And also, with so many fewer protections for basic civil rights of trans people in the States, a lot of the energy in terms of the trans debate is focused on making sure people aren't fired/assaulted/etc. because of their gender identity. I imagine the more robust protections in the U.K. translate into more room for debate without seeming on the side of those who want trans people to be fired, evicted, or worse.

But that's probably a thread derail.

I think it’s fair to say that FWR posters tend to be very engaged with MN (whether MN likes it or not )

But the people who are engaged and turn up to the web chats are the ones who get to ask the questions

"This thread makes me sad.
At a time when we should be celebrating a woman's success in becoming a political leader, instead we snipe from the sidelines"

I want to celebrate the success of a woman who understands and respects sex based rights, the rights that generations of women have fought for, alongside wanting Trans people to be free of discrimination in the workplace and hate crime etc.

I want to celebrate the success of a woman who will make things better for all women and bring women out of poverty. With her voting record consistent in capping, reducing and cutting welfare benefits, which will disproportionately affect women because of single mothers I don't see this happening.

With her consistent support for tuition fees and voting to cut support for the poorest students, again I suspect that women, working to gain qualifications to compete in the job market and support their kids, will be disproportionately affected.

She votes for fracking and against higher rates of tax for the wealthy.

Sorry: a woman who says women compete on a level athletics track with those born male does not have women's' interests at heart.

My sense is that the feminism board is home to a small but vocal minority of the MN users. Not surprised if it were the third most commented upon board, but I imagine it has more posts per user than your average board.

Nancy more people enter the site through these boards than almost any other access point. This is where they first come. Which is quite unusual, I should imagine.

The reason why these boards are talking about the trans issue so much is because we have just finished a government public consultation. Which was not really advertised to the general public, at all. And we are awaiting the results. The consultation was about reform to the gender recognition act, and whether or not self identification would be implemented in law.

The women on these boards, and elsewhere, were trying to publicise the fact that the consultation was live and the reasons why it is so important.

As you can see from JY in Canada, self identification can be exploited, over and over to the huge detriment of women and girls.

ThePurported

This will enlighten you. (If you can stomach it).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639203-Nathaniel-Knight-partner-of-Aimee-Challenor-worrying-twitter-admissions

nancy The safety and dignity of women and children should not be a left-wing versus rightwing political issue!

If the LibDems are not in favour of ensuring the safety and dignity of women and children, they are not getting my vote. Ditto the other parties, at the moment.

I imagine the more robust protections in the U.K. translate into more room for debate without seeming on the side of those who want trans people to be fired, evicted, or worse.

Not quite sure what this means, but no one wants to see trans people, or anyone, evicted or fired because of how they present. And this was the original intention of the gender recognition act.

It certainly wasn't to award female scholarships to men, let men compete against women in sport, put rapists in female prisons, and generally hand men a room with which to beat women to their heart's content.