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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women don't have penises

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jellybean85 · 10/07/2019 12:26

Just in service station and it seems the word is spreading! See next comment for pic Grin

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Yeahyeahyeahyeeeeah · 11/07/2019 21:39

Why should they need to mutilate their body on top of that? It's a serious operation which comes with many risks. Put yourself in their shoes

Sounds a bit like childbirth.

Ereshkigal · 11/07/2019 21:40

Riiight. But anyone might come into the bathroom and rape you. They're not like bank vaults.

Oh so that flimsy argument failed so now it's "bad people will always do bad things". When it was mostly you fixating on rape risk in the first place.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/07/2019 21:41

So, to be clear, is your argument that because not every person belonging to group X will commit crime Y, therefore we shouldn't bother with any safe guarding whatsoever regarding that group? Not all men are rapists, therefore lets make everything mixed sex. Not all people working with children are paedophiles, therefore lets do away with DBS checks. Not all dogs bite people, therefore lets not bother keeping them on leads/training them? Am I understanding you right?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 11/07/2019 21:41

Thanks, Fermats.

  1. Intersex/DSD and chromosomal irregularities exist; that doesn't mean that people can pick and choose their sex.
  1. The Ladybrains theories are a bit more interesting, to me. Seems most pertinent. I suppose this is where the Essence of Woman might most logically be found? I'm aware of Cordelia Fine's work on this, I'd appreciate any other pointers to research (for any related theories).
  1. 'Be nice'. Well, this one isn't an argument, is it?
FermatsTheorem · 11/07/2019 21:41

Oh wow, we have two hard-of-thinking logic deniers on here.

Basic predicate logic people.

Some X are Y does not entail All X are Y.

The GC feminists on this thread have pointed out that some transwomen are rapists (an incontravertible fact - Karen White, Davina Ayrton, etc.)

Only the wokesters among us have ever said "you think all transwomen are rapists."

I believe this is now to be referred to as a "straw person" argument (since an earlier post pointing to this fallacious form of reasoning got deleted, presumably for assuming the straw person's gender...)

Ereshkigal · 11/07/2019 21:41

To be fair they aren't arguing that Karen White isn't a transwoman. So they are owning their own shit. They just don't give a fuck about the consequences.

Yes, but doing this gaslighty "well I can't possibly comprehend why anyone would have a problem" (with males coming into women's spaces just because they say they are women)

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/07/2019 21:43

you think all transwomen are rapists

A strawman argument?

See thats where i have been going wrong...I thought it was just lying

I wish id known that as a child....

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/07/2019 21:44

Whoops...shit

STRAWPERSON!!!!

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/07/2019 21:45

Imagine being a female trapped in the wrong body, it's seriously harmful to their mental health. And the attitudes of people such as the so called feminists on this page do not help. Put yourself in their shoes.

Imagine being a female trapped in prison with a fully intact rapist, it's seriously harmful to their mental health. And the attitudes of people such as the trans activists on this page do not help. Put yourself in their shoes.

TowelNumber42 · 11/07/2019 21:45

I was in a little takeaway restaurant earlier today near where I currently work in a somewhat dodgy area.

A young man, maybe 20-25yo ish, came in ranting to himself a bit and possessing the space around himself aggressively with arm movements, side steps etc.

Every woman in the shop moved away. The woman sweeping the floor near him looked up sharply when the aggression became clear and moved quietly but quickly away. The men mostly didn't move.

I had no concerns about the contents of his trousers. I gave not a thought to his genitalia. I thought a lot about him being bigger and stronger than every woman in that cafe. I thought a lot about how dangerous an angry man can be in an enclosed space. I thought a lot about how carefully the floor sweeping waitress moved away to avoid drawing the man's attention to her moving away from him. I checked my exits.

In that same shop I have seen women come in similarly. Salubrious place obviously The reaction from the other women, from myself, was no where near as extreme. The risk of devastating violence from a woman is much lower. I'd face up to most if it came down to it.

It's about the height, the arm reach, the biceps, the propensity to violence, the tendency towards violence when female rejection/disrespect is perceived, the low chance of me standing a chance if he decides to have a go at me. Genitalia are irrelevant. It's the whole of his male body and his male aggression that worries me in a way that women don't.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/07/2019 21:53

Question for petrol and chicken - if you were in a restaurant and you saw a young girl go into the female toilet closely followed by someone clearly physically male, what would you do? Would you alert a member of staff? Go to check she was OK? Or assume that the male looking person was simply using the correct facilities for their gender identity?

GoldenBlue · 11/07/2019 21:53

I believe it is wrong for anyone to remove the rights of others against their wishes. Many women do not want to give up their single sex space in bathrooms and therefore no matter how woke others are it would be wrong to remove this right against their wishes.

I personally believe we would benefit from proper individual loos that can be unisex to remove this issue without disadvantaging women.

I have met a number of trans women, some I would have felt comfortable sharing single sex spaces with, but others that I would have felt intimated to be alone with in the same way I would feel alone with some men. I think it's really important when debating bathrooms that we also need to consider changing rooms and showers which are even more controversial as it can involve nakedness. I would not feel comfortable with a penis in the women's changing room who ever is wearing it.

TinselAngel · 11/07/2019 21:54

Put yourself in their shoes.

I have honestly tried to resist saying that they wouldn't fit me, but I'm sorry, I just can't help myself.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/07/2019 21:56

tinsel

Same!!!!!!

Glad you did it first Grin

MrsMiggins37 · 11/07/2019 21:57

Imagine being a female trapped in the wrong body

How can someone be “trapped in the wrong body”? If you have a Male one, you’re Male and if you have a female one, you’re female. Doesn’t seem complicated to me?

Maybe a Male with thoughts that he’s female needs help to come to terms with being comfortable in his skin rather than trying to change the fundamentals of who he is?

FermatsTheorem · 11/07/2019 22:02

Towel that scenario has played out so many times in my life. That moment when you think "how do I talk this situation down, how do I defuse it, how do I get out of here? Without having my lights punched out?"

I have been there many many times with men, both men I thought I knew who turned nasty, and men who were complete strangers. Whether it was a taxi driver taking me home from the airport, or a friend's boyfriend who got me alone using a pretext.

Of course "many times" is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of men who've been extremely nice. But (and it's a really important but) the impact of those times could have been devastating.

I have never been in that sort of situation with another woman. Not once.

Grimbles · 11/07/2019 22:02

How would declaring that you are a woman but keeping your male body help you with feeling like you are in the wrong body?

FloralBunting · 11/07/2019 22:06

If straw man is deletable now, can I suggest 'corn dolly' in it's place? Tres feminine.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 11/07/2019 22:06

A transwoman has male genetalia, but feels/think/identifies as a female

ChickenWing, how do females feel and think?

sometimes I'm quite logical - should I be wearing brogues?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 11/07/2019 22:08

ahhh....I wondered what Lang's deleted post was....it was the strawman definition

crikey

strawperson or corn dolly it is

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/07/2019 22:09

can I suggest 'corn dolly' in it's place

Nice

Is strawman deletable now?

To be honest it wouldn’t surprise me

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/07/2019 22:09

It'd about the height, the arm reach, the biceps, the propensity to violence, the tendency towards violence when female rejection/disrespect is perceived, the low chance of me standing a chance if he decides to have a go at me. Genitalia are irrelevant. It's the whole of his male body and his male aggression that worries me in a way that women don't.

And judging by their violent rhetoric a number of prominent TRAs are very angry with women indeed.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/07/2019 22:10

It was the definition that was deleted?

AlessandraAsteriti · 11/07/2019 22:11

Imagine being a female trapped in the wrong body
Then definitely their penis is not a female organ and they are anatomically and biologically males, so not allowed in female spaces.

FermatsTheorem · 11/07/2019 22:12

Yes indeed Prawn.

Off the top of my head we have

"Suck my dick" (an invitation issued on International Women's Day, what an appropriate time to celebrate one's inner femininity by celebrating forced fellatio on one's "enlarged clitoris").

"Die in a grease fire." (Initially considered unacceptable by twitter but then reinstated when they realised it was only aimed at women of the old-fashioned cunty kind who aren't really worthy of full human rights after all, in twitter terms.)

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