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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police called to National Theatre to deal with gender critical feminists sitting on chairs

596 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2019 17:53

twitter.com/DadRogd/status/1147181198231429124 has picture of the unfortunate police officer sent to investigate.

Earlier in his tweet thread he says:

National Theatre Green Room bar just refused to serve us. Their grounds? Allegedly, we are a political group with views a member of staff finds offensive. So they offend a dozen customers instead.

Problem is apparently with t-shirt worn by Anne Ruzylo sporting a dictionary definition of a lesbian. As someone else has pointed out the NT is in breach of the Equality Act, given that sexual orientation and sex are both protected characteristics. I wonder how this will play out.

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JackyHolyoake · 06/07/2019 00:12

A point here:

On the issue of some of the images used at today's protest outside the Stonewall conference about children and young people:

see the packaging of tobacco products which display pictures of the most extreme outcomes of surgical procedures for some who smoke tobacco products and which sometimes show the faces of such people!

[Virtue signallers go home!]

Aspley · 06/07/2019 00:12

Absolutely disgusting statement from the NT
They directly discriminated against a lesbian.
This is against the law.
The homophobic staff member should be disciplined and sent for some diversity training.
This anti-lesbian bullying and discrimination from within LGBT HAS TO STOP.

  • Lesbians do not do penises.
  • Lesbians are female homosexuals
ANYONE bigoted enough to object to either of the above statements should be encouraged to examine their homophobia. I am so sick of this shit. Come on media, I know you read this site. Please speak up for us. No one else will.
TurboTeddy · 06/07/2019 00:12

Looks like it was entirely based on the assumption that the group were gender critical which the staff member can only have concluded from the t shirt. So yes definitely homophobic as far as I'm concerned.

mobile.twitter.com/thegencrit/status/1147214122616020992

JackyHolyoake · 06/07/2019 00:14

They wouldn't have complained about a naïve, rainbow festooned young woman with a different kind of lesbian t shirt.

Exactly so ... the Rainbow is the most politically charged image currently!

FormerMediocreMale · 06/07/2019 00:16

Oh dear a member of staff with very clear homophobia. In this instance phobia being very appropriate as they felt unsafe - irrationally unless evidence to the contrary can be provided - in the presence of lesbians.

bettybeans · 06/07/2019 00:20

Imagine a female member of staff had taken issue with a male for wearing a "gay - a man who loves other men" statement T-shirt. What do you think NT would've done in those circumstances?

Datun · 06/07/2019 00:21

They wouldn't have complained about a naïve, rainbow festooned young woman with a different kind of lesbian t shirt.

They would, if she didn't answer the question correctly, though.

That's what I'm getting at. It is the concept. The fact that women are realising this and are politicising about it is secondary, to the fact that the concept is the problem.

They can't get away from that. The concept of lesbianism is transphobic. Making something of it, is obviously the reason they were targeted. But anyone who agrees with the concept, out loud, would be targeted.

That's what I want the public to understand.

There isn't necessarily, a whole load of extra points about being gender critical, that singles them out.

You don't have to disagree with the transition of children, or puberty blockers, or brainwashing schools, or the misogyny. You just have to agree that lesbianism is based on sex.

That's enough.

Aspley · 06/07/2019 00:27

@datun
Exactly.
Simply saying "lesbians do not have penises" is enough to raise the ire of the homophobic branch of the trans lobby.
The whole bloody world knows lesbians neither have or want penises.

FloralBunting · 06/07/2019 00:28

That's true. The only reason our putative rainbow festooned lesbian wouldn't have been picked on is because she may have shielded herself with a TWAW mantra to deflect attention. If she had been clear that cock was always off the menu, even 'theoretically' to preserve someone's 'validity', because she was same sex attracted, then yep, she'd have made the bigoted member of staff feel 'unsafe' too.

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 06/07/2019 00:28

It would appear that today, in this world, trans is god. Not to be questioned, just obeyed. If trans says the woman must go, then she must go.

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 06/07/2019 00:30

I would be very interested in reading the phone transcript of the call to the police.

“Hello, police please. There are women here, talking to other women, and umm, well that’s it really.”

Datun · 06/07/2019 00:38

If she had been clear that cock was always off the menu, even 'theoretically' to preserve someone's 'validity', because she was same sex attracted, then yep, she'd have made the bigoted member of staff feel 'unsafe' too.

Endorsed by Stonewall.

Fucking Stonewall!

Their entire reason for being is to uphold same-sex attraction.

They are, currently, doing a sterling job of fudging the issue. And making damn sure that people like transgendertrend don't get to ask awkward questions, or that journalists photograph the expulsion of lesbians from pride.

But at some point, someone is going to have to ask the question, and make them answer it. Not waffle on about inclusivity with a whole load of word salad.

Are lesbians, who outright discriminate against penis holders, who identify as women, transphobic?

Let the public connect the dots. Because that's their raison d'etre down the toilet.

ChattyLion · 06/07/2019 00:38

Fucking what is going on?!
Lesbians aren’t allowed, in London and on Pride weekend to get served in a bar because they have a T-shirt on that says what a lesbian is? This is horrific.

And fucksake- that tweet- how cynical is the National Theatre if they were involving their press officer in whether or not they will let a customer have a drink at the bar? What the fuck have the press office got to do with any of this?

Unless their press officer is also a lawyer who understands the Equality Act, it looks a lot like attempted arse-covering from a national institution with a once proud history of employing same-sex-attracted performers and creatives, which based on this would appear to be giving all that up in favour of a supporting a misogynistic, homophobic, men’s sexual rights campaign. Utter, utter, shame on them.

And I really hope that the women treated like this take it as far as they possibly can legally.

Datun · 06/07/2019 00:46

The Twitter feed is enlightening. People are, quite literally, offended by the dictionary definition of the word lesbian.

It needs as much sunlight as possible.

TurboTeddy · 06/07/2019 00:47

The NT are getting their arse handed to them on twitter and then I saw this tweet......

So why DID you discriminate against these particular visitors, who were visibly lesbian, at the beginning of the Pride season, when you didn't refuse to serve their gay male companion, wearing a t-shirt proclaiming his sexual orientation to the world in much the same fashion?

So not so much homophobia as pure unadulterated lesophobia and misogyny. I really hope Ann has the energy to pursue this, I don't think the NT have a leg to stand on.

Datun · 06/07/2019 00:49

TurboTeddy

Next time they should all wear the dictionary definition of a gay man.

It's exactly the same concept. And I'd love to see the conflict when they realise what these women are doing, and how they are going to struggle to address it in the same way.

GrimDamnFanjo · 06/07/2019 00:52

I can't believe what I'm reading...

TurboTeddy · 06/07/2019 00:52

Dating
That makes my head hurt on their behalf Smile

TurboTeddy · 06/07/2019 00:56

God I realise that I've confidently asserted the NT don't have a leg to stand on and then I realise it's 2019. Ann will probably be charged with a transphobic hate crime and malicious t shirt wearing which is obviously literal violence. Is society going clockwise or anticlockwise as it flushes itself down the toilet?

MoaMartinson · 06/07/2019 00:57

Thanks for flagging this OP, I'm wondering what the trustees of the NT have to say on this? I found their address online so may go ahead and ask them:

[email protected]

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 06/07/2019 01:03

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RubberTreePlant · 06/07/2019 01:17

Very,very disappointed if they're connected to Coin St Cooperatives, who I thought were a fab organisation. Even more disappointed - if that's possible - in The National Theatre.

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2019 01:29

This one needs to go legal.

I usually urge caution because of the potential to backfire.

However I'm pretty convinced this case is so strong that its worthwhile and important to do so.

Lesbophobia needs highlighting as being part of Stonewall and TRA led bullshit which erases sex and replaces it with gender which is in effect illegal.

And preferably before the next steps in the GRA reform process.

BatShite · 06/07/2019 01:33

This is, as fucking usual, disgusting. Not even attempting to hide the lesbophobia now, the statement is just pathetic. And I think, in putting out that statement and actually admitting to not serving a lesbian because she was a lesbian and lesbians make a member of staff feel unsafe, they have fucked themselves more should Anne take it further?

ALittleBitofVitriol · 06/07/2019 01:38

I don't think JanesKettle is virtue signalling. I do think that the fact that the 'other side' are linking the protest with the theatre expulsion is relevant. We are arguing for truth and clarity, being able to clarify the context is helpful. I would have been dismayed to hear of the protest group going inside the building they had just protested to have a drink - surely the point of the protest is to elicit a response. To have it clarified that the protest was at a different, unrelated venue, is more inkeeping with what I expect from our side.

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