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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police called to National Theatre to deal with gender critical feminists sitting on chairs

596 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2019 17:53

twitter.com/DadRogd/status/1147181198231429124 has picture of the unfortunate police officer sent to investigate.

Earlier in his tweet thread he says:

National Theatre Green Room bar just refused to serve us. Their grounds? Allegedly, we are a political group with views a member of staff finds offensive. So they offend a dozen customers instead.

Problem is apparently with t-shirt worn by Anne Ruzylo sporting a dictionary definition of a lesbian. As someone else has pointed out the NT is in breach of the Equality Act, given that sexual orientation and sex are both protected characteristics. I wonder how this will play out.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/07/2019 12:35

I don’t see mine - ‘fucking mind your own business’

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/07/2019 12:41

Or mine. ‘Gender: a load of misogynist, homophobic bollocks.’

DuMondeB · 08/07/2019 12:54

Maybe we could reinvent the old Sex? Yes please! thingy?

Only ours can be Gender? No thank you!

littlbrowndog · 08/07/2019 12:56

What’s a bigender. Is that my arse ?

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/07/2019 12:57

Doesn't

Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming

Basically cancel out all the others?

Like a sum zero game which I never fully understand but it sounds kind of like it's like that

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/07/2019 12:58

GrinGrinGrinGrin little

BatShite · 08/07/2019 14:03

Wow @ that video of the policeman 'explaining'. Saying the bar can refuse service to anyone they want to, for whatever reason they want. Which is kind of true, but they cannot refuse to serve lesbians for being lesbians. I wonder what prompted whoever to say that lesbians do not have penises though? I mean, the conversation must have been about that right, for someone to say that. So was there some kind of conversation with staff, and it was the lesbian saying lesbians don't have dicks that was the 'disruptive' behaviour and 'abuse towards staff'? If so, the excuse is..pathetic.

Again, not a placard in sight though, and that appears to be a big part of the reasoning used to deny service to these women. Along with them wearing tshirts that offended people. Though still drawing a blank as to how 'lesbian: women who loves women' is offensive even to the TRA type crowd, if you think TWAW, they TW are included in women. So wheres the issue? Again, it all comes back to lesbians being openly lesbian is the problem and is what makes people feel 'unsafe'. Lesbians existing as female homosexuals.

PencilsInSpace · 08/07/2019 14:17

Gay Star News have plumbed new depths

www.gaystarnews.com/article/anti-trans-women-kicked-out-of-national-theatre-over-protests/#gs.o84e6q

Is there a crowdfunder yet?

BeyondOverTheMoon · 08/07/2019 14:39

My Facebook is buggered atm, can anyone go in and comment on the article? Links to videos etc?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/07/2019 14:47

How is it kind of true, Batshite? Surely it's simply NOT true?

BatShite · 08/07/2019 14:50

How is it kind of true, Batshite? Surely it's simply NOT true?

The police dude got it wrong the way he said it and given the situation. What I meant is, speaking generally, bar staff do not have to give a reason not to serve someone. Usually they do give one, but they don't have to actually have a reason. What they cannot do is refuse to serve someone BECAUSE, for example they are lesbian. Which the NT staff clearly did do, and they doubled down on this in their statement too.

sackrifice · 08/07/2019 14:55

This is a list of FB gender options. It reads like something out of a comedy sketch. I am not sure how many of them are essentially the same thing

Not 'female' or 'male' though.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/07/2019 15:05

Thanks Batshite, I get it now. They don't have to give a reason but some reasons are not acceptable.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 08/07/2019 15:25

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PencilsInSpace · 08/07/2019 15:33

I meant for the women to sue NT for discrimination, Buzz.

I'm more than happy to chip in for the Lesbian Strength march as well Smile

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 08/07/2019 15:50

Sorry Pencils I had both MN and FB tabs open at the same time and didn't concentrate properly! Blush

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/07/2019 16:27

It's reached The Mail...

and now those people who had a bad Sunday night are having a bad Monday.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/07/2019 16:28

Daily Mail! Strange days indeed.

OvaHere · 08/07/2019 16:30

I don't think The Mail are buying the NT's version of events.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/07/2019 16:31

woah, that's quite a different article isn't it? much more sympathetic. doesn't cover the invisible placards though

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/07/2019 16:35

It has the video though.

BeyondOverTheMoon · 08/07/2019 16:38

No, but at least the linked video will...

RedToothBrush · 08/07/2019 16:41

The t-shirts appear to be an attempt to make a distinction between trans women and lesbian women and represent a complex argument in the LGBT community.

What's complicated about understanding homoSEXuality rather than homoGENDERuality?

Lesbians don't like Willie's. Because they are not sexually attracted to them. That's why they are lesbians not bisexual or heterosexual.

Unless we are saying that they are not allowed to express their sexuality (which is illegal) and must accept dicks (which advocates correctional rape) then there is nothing complex about this.

It's very simple. There is a section of the trans community and their allies which is straight up Lesbophobic.

Let's not suggest this is complex when it really isn't.

EyesOpenWide · 08/07/2019 16:41

It comes to something when I’m actually cheering the Daily Mail, they are clearly not buying into the NT version of events.

The video speaks for itself, invisible placards everywhere!