would you date someone who is gender critical?

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Seeing as there is a would you date a trans person thread for proper balance I'm sure you will be happy with a would you date a gender critical person. I know we could ask for every other characteristic that people do and do not find attractive, and then we can judge people by there answers. But no one needs to date anyone they are not attracted too.

So my answer is I'd probably be attracted to them but over time if there views were such that they impacted on me negatively then that would be a massive turn off.

Not sure what this means. Are you saying that there ARE enough lesbians who date transwomen and gay men who date transmen? Surely this is exactly the opposite of what they are complaining about?

Well, quite. The whole point of the original thread was the claim that it was mean and cruel not to have sex with trans people. Men who identify as women are constantly banging on about the bigots who don't see them as viable sexual or relationship partners. Transmen keep pretty schtum on the subject, doubtless due to their female socialization

And btw: I'm a bit older, but these days, is "dating" a synonym for "have sex with

It is. It's the new terminology. It's like FWB. 30+ years ago I had male friends I sometimes had sex with but the phrase "friends with benefits" hadn't been invented then. And dating wasn't a word we used. It was going out with or getting off with.

What Prawn said. And I wouldn’t date anyone who was either daft enough or misogynist enough to believe in gender over sex.

Not everyone on mums net is gender critical and some might find it a turn off

I'm not. I enjoy online debating and arguing on here but in real life I'd probably back away from someone who told me they were gender critical and told me quite as often as posters on here do. I don't centre trans issues as the most important thing affecting women.

but if we are asking if people want to date trans people then. We can also ask the opersite

You can ask but I really don't think the 2 compare. Your question is more akin to the would you date someone with diametrically opposing political or religious views and beliefs - e.g I'm very unlikely to date a rugby playing, SNP supporter who is an elder of The Free Church of Scotland (if it has elders)

Honestly if anyone believed in gender and gender theory I'd avoid at all costs.

So yes, I'd only date someone who is gender critical and who doesn't believe unicorns live at the end of the rainbow.

I could I only date someone that was GC, much like I could only date someone who was not religious. Life is too short to waste it with people that you fundamentally disagree with.

What an odd question to a group of feminists.

You’re not comparing like with like, you silly little person. Not wanting to date GC people is about incompatible views. Not wanting to date trans people is primarily about Physical features and preferences.
It’s possible you’re daft enough not to have realised this, I suppose.

Surely the opposite question would be, "would you date someone whose biological sex and gender stereotypes aligned?". So a man who drinks real ale and ummmm chops down trees or a woman who likes kittens and Prosecco. I'm reaching here.

I mean there are plenty of GC trans people. And manly men who love a good stereotype.

Quick someone draw a Venn diagram.

No way on earth would I ever date anyone who wasn't GC. What woman would want to?

Gender stereotypes can fuck the fuck right off.

Well I wouldn’t date a man who went on about being gender critical and felt the need to mansplain it to me!

But generally being gender critical is pretty necessary to me.

I would never be with someone who wasn't gender critical. When I first met DH I was wary, as he's into left-wing activism. I needn't have worried though. He hates the "woke" left with a passion.

Well, as soon as I found out their views, I wouldn't date somebody who thought that males should take part in female sport or be in their changing rooms so definitely yes.

Bisexual women may date TW but lesbians don't.

Actually I've been told by every bisexual I know that they are only attracted to men and women, because their attraction is biSEXual.

The people who you are thinking of, who are happy to date trans people are called pansexuals. Not lesbians, not gay men, not bisexuals. If you choose to transition your dating pool will be restricted to people who identify as pansexual.

"Pansexuality, or omnisexuality, is the sexual, romantic or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. Pansexual people may refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are not determining factors in their romantic or sexual attraction to others."

Don't know how big the percentage of pansexuals are in any given population, but probably not very large. Especially after you rule out all the woke cultists who claim, on paper, to be open to dating transpeople, but never find themselves physically attracted to any actual transperson that they meet in the flesh.

I would not date someone who wasn't capable of rational thought, so I would only date someone who was GC. If they hadn't thought about this issues then I'd expect them to come to a GC conclusion when presented with the facts.

I wouldn't date someone who was GC because I have quite a few trans friends, so a relationship would be unlikely to work out. Bisexual doesn't mean you wouldn't date a trans person, though. Some people use it that way, but plenty of others don't.

I couldn't date somebody who believed in magical thinking.

When one of my sons only wore Princess dresses aged four, nobody batted an eyelid (how it should be of course).

If my husband had reacted badly and couldn't deal with it due to a deep rooted homophobia that my son might be gay, or if I had been "horrified" that my son wanted to be a Princess, then I know my family would have jumped in straight away. But as I said, nobody batted an eyelid. There weren't any fishy groups lurking about either.

I don't really know anyone IRL who isn't GC!

Gender critical doesn’t mean going around constantly criticising gender.

It just means that when they consider gender, people don’t instantly take leave of their senses.

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Bisexual women may date TW but lesbians don't.

Actually I've been told by every bisexual I know that they are only attracted to men and women, because their attraction is biSEXual.

The people who you are thinking of, who are happy to date trans people are called pansexuals. Not lesbians, not gay men, not bisexuals.

Bisexual here... I speak only for me not anyone else. I think that conflating bisexuality with pansexuality is as harmful as conflating lesbianism/female homosexuality with MTF heterosexuality or FTM heterosexuality with gay/ male homosexuality. They are not the same thing.

Words mean things conflating meanings destroys language and the means to define oneself. Define what you are based on the meanings of words don't try to manipulate words to mean different things to suit your purpose/desire.

To be fair no one is obliged to define their sexuality anyway.

Oh stop it. Bullshit is this about balance. It’s about false equivalencies and go not play your fucking word trap games somewhere else.

*go and not go not.

To be fair no one is obliged to define their sexuality anyway.

No, but being homosexual is more than a sexuality. It's a sexual orientation and this is legally protected under the EA.

I'm happily married, she's GC too and if she fell under a bus and I could be bothered to date anyone, they'd have to be GC.

It's a deal breaker for me.