would you date someone who is gender critical?

[Bespin]

Seeing as there is a would you date a trans person thread for proper balance I'm sure you will be happy with a would you date a gender critical person. I know we could ask for every other characteristic that people do and do not find attractive, and then we can judge people by there answers. But no one needs to date anyone they are not attracted too.

So my answer is I'd probably be attracted to them but over time if there views were such that they impacted on me negatively then that would be a massive turn off.

there might be people on here who would not date a gender critical person. you never know, but I would not wish to try and change the person I was with other than to put across my point of view

I'd only date a GC person. I couldn't be attracted to someone dumb enough to believe that humans can change sex, and sufficiently unaware of women's rights and child safeguarding to believe that accepting pretending they can is a good idea.

Did I miss the article about GC people being basically killed because people don't want to date them?

It's a Q and non-Q thing, like wot R0 said on another thread, Ova. You couldn't possibly understand.

I'm a straight biological female, so I could only date someone who is GC. There isn't an alternative for me that I can see,

You’re hardly going to get a variety of answers on this forum, OP.

Not everyone on mums net is gender critical and some might find it a turn off. but if we are asking if people want to date trans people then. We can also ask the opersite, so I thought I would. you can all answer as you like really but not everyone thinks the same.

What does gender critical mean?

I'm not dating but if I were, it would be "exclusively".
What an odd question for Feminism Chat.

Not everyone on mumsnet is gender critical but you’ll struggle to find anyone on the feminism forum who isn’t.

Personally for me it would depend. I wouldn’t let it put me off at first but if they ever displayed transphobic views, they’d be out the door.

Balance would be to post that question on a trans forum surely?

The only thing thats worse than being talked about, is not being talked out right?

With eurochick on this ine

Balance would be to post that question on a trans forum surely?

But then we wouldn't see it.

As a general rule, I think relationships don’t tend to last in the long run if the people involved hold fundamentally incompatible views.

So I can’t see a relationship between someone who’s very gender critical and someone who’s very pro-trans having much chance of lasting unless one of them changes their way of thinking.

But I think there’s enough people out there who are gender critical (or at least have no strong feelings on the subject) for gender critical people to find dates.

It's not really a comparable question though.

For the vast majority of people biology and genitals matter when deciding if they would like to engage in a sexual relationship. That's the premise of the other thread.

This is about views. People with strong diametrically opposing views tend not to do well in relationships, whatever the topic. A TRA and a gender critical feminist are unlikely to make a good pairing, but for most people believing that biological sex matters and people have the right to reject sex with someone for any reason is unlikely to be a sticking point in a new relationship.

Are gender critical women constantly moaning that not enough people will have sex with them and hurling insults/abuse/aggression at people they would like to have sex with who say "no"?

Thought not.

TW are doing this though.

I’ve never dated a man who thought it was possible to change sex, and I wouldn’t.

exactly this ShadowNova

simular to there being enough none gender critical poeple that trans people do not need to date them or lesbians who do date trans woman and gay men that do date trans men. There is someone for everyone

But then we wouldn't see it.

Exactly.

pregnantandsuffering

Here’s a definition cut and pasted from urban dictionary

“gender critical
The perspective, theory, or philosophy that gender isn't an innate, essential, or deterministic quality of human existence. Rather that gender is a social construction and oppressive hierarchy, that biology is our objective reality, and that all humans are free to express themselves within and without sexual stereotypes.”

Weird question, Bespin, because the whole point of the other thread was that readers were being told trans people were at "higher risk of mental illness and suicidal thoughts or actions than the rest of the population" and that not dating them contributed to that. It was a bizarre plea that other people date/have sex with them, essentially out of pity.

That thread focused on this rapey and unreasonable position.

There is no equivalence here. No gender critical person has ever suggested that other people date them for the sake of their MH. Or for any reason at all.

To answer the question, I couldn't ever contemplate being in a relationship with a man who wasn't gender critical. I'm a feminist, FFS.

I often wonder what DH would say about this great pile of stinking ordure. It would be pithy and amusing, that's for sure

simular to there being enough none gender critical poeple that trans people do not need to date them or lesbians who do date trans woman and gay men that do date trans men. There is someone for everyone

Not sure what this means. Are you saying that there ARE enough lesbians who date transwomen and gay men who date transmen? Surely this is exactly the opposite of what they are complaining about?

And btw: I'm a bit older, but these days, is "dating" a synonym for "have sex with"?

For me, "dating" would be a preliminary to a long-term relationship leading hopefully to marriage and children; that's the reason I wouldn't date a trans person

I think a more relevant question is why is this only an issue for women to fix. Why are almost all discussions about this about transwomen and lesbians?

You've committed literal violence against me OP.

I don't really understand the point of this thread tbh. What are you trying to say OP?

I would only date a GC person. I don't mind if someone doesn't want to date me because I am GC. I highly doubt they would be for me anyway

Although I do think it's pretty violent to suggest you might find GC views a turn off, let's hope no GC died as a result of your views.

Bisexual women may date TW but lesbians don't. Lesbians are female homosexuals who have sex exclusively with other females. Words have meanings, Bespin.