transgender hate crime

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

Transgender hate crime up by 81%

I thought someone else would have posted this as it's practically headline on BBC.

This is sad. Nobody should be being abused.

The other problem is that most people will assume it’s things like being beaten up in the street or having poo pushed through their letter box. Things that no one should have to put up with.
Not saying that someone with a penis is a man.

In our area they are running an interview with Sue Pascoe who has been categorised as a vulnerable person by the police and states is scared to leave the house. That would be Sue who just last month wanted us all to vote to send them to the European Parliament.

That would be Sue who is a high level "Equality" advisor at Channel 4, and used to be master of the local hunt, I think, before experiencing a second female puberty in their 50s.

Because I find a man identifying as a woman and insisting the rest of us address them as female just as offensive as an African American would find being told that some white bloke is black.

This, exactly.

The one incident they mention is horrible. It's such a manipulative article. They don't mention the nasty limericks and misgendering. Remember that Helen Islans action against Miranda was allegedly a "transphobic hate crime" as was Giuliana Kendal's against Venice Allan and Linda Bellos. So I imagine they're both in these stats.

Didn’t the cake case so you cannot force speech and it isn’t discrimination if someone doesn’t say what you want them to say?

I wonder if the figures include people who have been “cis”ed. It’s also a form of misgendering. Is that being recorded?

What about all the forms that request a gender from people who have no gender? Forcing them to assign a gender to themselves in order to proceed with whatever they are applying/registering for?

In our area they are running an interview with Sue Pascoe who has been categorised as a vulnerable person by the police and states is scared to leave the house. That would be Sue who just last month wanted us all to vote to send them to the European Parliament.
(Quoting myself)

Very interestingly Sue Pascoe interview has just made it on to main BBC lunchtime news...but it's a different edit. This morning was a lament, now it has a ballsy 'I'm here, deal with it' ending.

Yet Sue was too scared to leave the house just a few hours ago. It's brilliant how Sue has overcome this so quickly. Truly a motivational and inspirational story for our times.

I noticed that. It's good that individuals like Pascoe are getting real visibility in the media, it's important for the general public to learn who TW are.

That would be Sue who is a high level "Equality" advisor at Channel 4, and used to be master of the local hunt, I think, before experiencing a second female puberty in their 50s

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe

Cynical me thinks that there are a number of TRA's reporting anything and everything as hate crime. Misgendering, those saying women and lesbians are adult human females etc etc purposely to bump up the stats for the sympathy vote.....

It’s already being twisted by activists on Twitter. An increase in reports of hate crimes has turned into an increase in violence.

And it’s all the fault of people on Twitter.

Cynical me thinks that there are a number of TRA's reporting anything and everything as hate crime. Misgendering, those saying women and lesbians are adult human females etc etc purposely to bump up the stats for the sympathy vote.....

See the post from LangCleg upthread.

I'm am still fizzing that the horrible story about the housing officer was the only actual example given, implying that the rest of the reports were of a similar nature.

Yes.

Cynical me thinks that there are a number of TRA's reporting anything and everything as hate crime. Misgendering, those saying women and lesbians are adult human females etc etc purposely to bump up the stats for the sympathy vote.....

James Morton Scottish Trans Alliance wanted stickers reporting as hate crimes ("for the numbers")

Again we need to know what counts as a hate crime.

My Dd has been verbally abused in the street more than once for being a lesbian, never reported but it would be a hate crime (and rightly so)

Is it a case of more people reporting incidents like this or are adult human female stickers a hate crime?

What are the increases in other groups in the same time period? There is a huge push to report hate crimes, I know I saw statistics of disability hate crime increasing too.

‘Hate crime’ needs scrapping, or at least limited to refer to things that would actually be criminal whether or not ‘hate’ was the motivation.

Quotation from the BBC article linked in the OP: "Transgender people have their existence debated on a near daily basis across UK media, and several activists believe this negative attention reinforces the poor treatment they receive on our streets. "

Several activists believe. How widespread or niche is their opinion?

How many activists don't believe this?

How many of the 650,000 transgender people in the UK believe this?

It's great seeing Sue being brave and stunning in the face of adversity.......

The trouble with all this 'hate crime' stuff is that - as Harry Miller of Fair Cop found out - that anyone can reported a 'hate crime', and even if it completely baseless, without any evidence, and motivated by a grudge or ideological differences, it still has to be recorded as a 'hate crime incident' - •even if there is no evidence for this, the 'victim' is batshit crazy, and no action is taken by the police.

It seems like this is kind of inherent problem in the way that hate crimes are looked at. Or maybe even in the idea of hate crimes? I remember when different sorts of legislation around hate crimes was being passed in different countries there were people who argued it would be a difficult sort of law to manage.

Is it a case of more people reporting incidents like this or are adult human female stickers a hate crime?

This interpretation of that being "hate crime" was confirmed by the Scottish Trans Alliance. See R0's screenshot.

I’ve never seen ‘the existence of transgender people debated’.

Can someone point me to a post or a blog or a video or some placard waving nutter who ‘debates’ the ‘existence’ transgender people?

Nobody ‘debates’ their existence.

I have actually gone and done one spreadsheet on this based on this data from West Yorkshire police. www.westyorkshire.police.uk/sites/default/files/foi/2019-06/foi_0286-19_hate_crimes_june_2019.pdf . They have a column called “Transphobic hate crime” which the text below refers to as “gender identity”. They state that increases in hate crime are because of the police recording more. “Disability” hate crime is up 200% to 792 incidents recorded. And “transphobic” is up 207% to 169. The largest category is “Race”. Also up, to far, far more, 5,926 “Race” incidents. My spreadsheet is for years to 31 December so slightly different, but still....

This interpretation of that being "hate crime" was confirmed by the Scottish Trans Alliance. See R0's screenshot

Times January 2019
'Principal backs transgender students over ‘hurtful’ stickers'

(extract)
"Professor Peter Mathieson has angered feminist campaigners after assuring students that he would not tolerate “offensive stickers” that have appeared on university grounds since last summer. Some of them are understood to say “Female is a biological reality” and “Woman. Noun. Adult human female”.

He promised that those responsible for the stickers would be traced through CCTV and disciplined. Police Scotland had also been contacted, he said.

In a letter to students, he wrote: “The university has a zero-tolerance stance towards harassment, bullying, discrimination and victimisation of any kind — this includes zero tolerance towards transphobia. All members of the university community including trans and non-binary people are protected under the dignity and respect policy. It is never acceptable for any member of the university to be harassed.”

"A spokeswoman for Women and Girls in Scotland, which campaigns for women’s equality and against transgender women having access to women-only spaces, was outraged that the dictionary definition of a woman had seemingly been interpreted as hate speech. “We consider any notion that female people should not be able to define ourselves in public as itself a form of oppression, and an impediment to addressing the sexism and misogyny [faced] because we are female,” she said.

She claimed that transgender activists encouraged people to report individual stickers as hate crimes to maximise the number of alleged offences. On Facebook last November, James Morton, the Scottish Trans Alliance (STA) manager, responding to a comment on the Edinburgh stickers, said: “Please log it by reporting on the Police Scotland online hate crime form. We need the stats.” Vic Valentine, a policy officer for STA, said: “If people feel distressed by transphobic stickers, we encourage them to report [it] to police. We want to improve trans people’s confidence in approaching the police.”

Kai O’Doherty, the Edinburgh University Students’ Association’s vice-president for welfare, said the stickers were “not only hurtful to trans people, but are clear violations of policies against harassment and discrimination”. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/principal-backs-transgender-students-over-hurtful-stickers-9jpztg2tz

God that BBC 'analysis' really is just embarrassing.

I heard this on Radio 1 today and there was someone from WYP talking about we have to tackle 'words' because they are the root cause of the violence (mostly perpetrated by men or women I wonder?) It sounded like an excuse to say 'yes, we are allowed to say that women tweeting that women don't have penises is a hate crime, because that then leads to men beating up transwomen on their doorstep'.

I would wager that the vast majority of this 'hate crime' increase is people saying things that transpeople do not want to hear (eg. Woman = adult human female etc) rather than actual physical violent attacks, but there doesn't seem to be breakdown of stats anywhere so.....