transgender hate crime

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

Transgender hate crime up by 81%

I thought someone else would have posted this as it's practically headline on BBC.

This is sad. Nobody should be being abused.

Someone should do an FOI to find out how many arrests, and crimes were actually charged, and how many convictions.

There is actual conviction data here:

www.cps.gov.uk/cps/hate-crime-data

According to this, there were 63 UK convictions for transphobic hate crimes in 2018.

As PPs are saying, the problem is we just don't know enough about these figures. As Moobaa says, it may be basically a list of phone calls made to police, in which case it doesn't tell us anything about hate crimes against trans identified people. Or perhaps it's a 100 per cent accurate record of actual hate crimes. The problem is we don't know.

The force where I live, Avon and Somerset, has since 2017 recorded a strand of 'gender/misogyny' hate. I wrote to them to ask about this and was told 'The overwhelming majority of these cases are described as Misogynistic in their motivation.' Booooring right? God forbid we have something just about women and the hate we face.

Their ideas about what constitutes a hate crime motivated by transphobia are alarming: 'If a person identifies as a Trans woman then it is Transphobic to deliberately refer to them with male pronouns. Depending on the circumstances and location this could be a Public Order Offence. They are protected by the Equality Act 2010 and this could be reported as a Hate motivated incident or Offence according to current police policy. Hate Speech in other contexts eg On Line abuse or offensive literature can also be an offence.'

Worrying that the senior police officer cited EA2010 which is not the law covering hate crime.

Here are the stats for 'hate incidents recorded' pre 2017 (so pre 'gender/misogyny) - 67% racially motivated. 1% trans. The trans figure is similar to population size while the racial figure is much higher than the BAME % of population.
www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/media/29487587/hate-crime-statistics-2013-2017.pdf

Avon and Somerset record by gender not sex, and they do not disaggregate incidents against lesbians from incidents against gay men.

"According to this, there were 63 UK convictions for transphobic hate crimes in 2018".

And these convictions would have had to have an actual crime associated with it. So assault, arson, threatening behaviour, stuff like that.

Transgender people have their existence debated on a near daily basis

Why does this lie persist? Who is debating the 'existence' of trans people?

It’s awful that people should be being abused but I’m somewhat cynical about these figures. I’d heard and read about two serious homophobic attacks in the last few weeks alone, including a knife attack, and you’d think that if this was happening to transpeople it’d be all over the BBC and the Guardian. They’re running the headline that transphobic hate crimes are up by 81%, yet I’ve not seen a single report of an actual transphobic hate crime.

Being verbally abused is horrible, don’t get me wrong. If I reported every instance of verbal abuse the rates of homophobic and disablist hate crime would shoot through the roof. I don’t though, and neither do most homosexual and disabled people, because it just becomes background noise after a while, so common an occurrence is it. It’s a sad fact, and I’d rather not be verbally abused, obviously, but it’s not really a crime is it? If it’s sustained bullying and harassment by a particular person then yeah, it is a hate crime, but some random calling me a man or an ugly dyke, while unpleasant, should not be a matter for the police.

Shall we all start reporting incidents of misogyny and see what gets reported in the media? On no, we tried that already...

If a person identifies as a Trans woman then it is Transphobic to deliberately refer to them with male pronouns

I assume that accompanied a statement saying that it's equally hateful to refer to transmen as female, married women as 'Mrs John Smith', or Miss, and shorthaired girls as tomboys?

It is utter bullshit.

It is like the BBC has gone full Prick News. Every article these days seems to contain a long opinion piece about stuff that was never in the original article.

The ahem analysis was done by Ben Hunte, the LGBT correspondent who did the Bergdorf interview about how the NSPCC is so mean to people who disregard child safeguarding.

Another article by him showed more analysis of Prince Williams's statement that he'd support a child who was gay. Apparently this means that "For a member of the British Royal Family to give such an endorsement to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights, and their fight for equality, is a big deal". Prince William did not mention transgender rights. But Ben Hunte can analyse that he did. Look at the very short article - and the long analysis that comes after it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48774280

The bbc have updated their article to include exact figures from each constabulary. Yorkshire police have had the biggest rise in reported trans hate incidents.

Is Yorkshire supposedly more transphobic then the rest of the uk?

@Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81% www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

‘West Yorkshire Police and South Yorkshire Police saw reporting of transgender hate crimes more than treble over three years.’

Judging by what I have seen this year, the word 'reporting' is probably key here. There have probably been many 'crimes' -thoughts and repeating of facts- reported. I wonder how many were a) crimes b) about hate and c) actually processed as crimes rather than merely being reported.

Meant to preview the post not post^^

To be clear I'm at a point where I am loathe to believe anything coming out of West Yorkshire police and that is largely to do with West Yorkshire Police's conduct over the last few years from Rotherham to their policing of people's 'thought process'.

These aren't actual hate crimes.
They're just reports.
Not prosecutions, not convictions, not arrests, not charges.

Yes. Without a breakdown of police actions, we don't know much. How many were marked as No Crime? How many were marked as No Further Action for other reasons - eg further action disproportionate? Which crimes were they? What proportion were violent?

FWIW - I often think the same about statistics for women. If we all phoned up the police to report a crime when we ignored a wolf whistle and the response to ignoring was to be called frigid bitch or you need a good fucking or whatever, the police would do nothing else but spend all day writing them down. But it wouldn't tell you anything about how many women were raped.

Susie Green will have reported rather a lot of those, I suspect.

Also Helen Islan, Mermaids staffer, who prosecuted Miranda Yardley, a transsexual, in court. Which was thrown out. That started as a hate incident in West Yorkshire.

Note that neither of the complainants identify as transgender. But they will be recorded as transgender hate incidents.

Mermaids also called the police after a teacher allegedly misgendered a pupil last year. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5429219/Charity-calls-police-teacher-misgenders-pupil.html

Nothing to do with trans or any other form of hate incident/crime, but here's an FOI asking about the reasons for NFA (no further action) on crimes reported to the police in Scotland:

www.copfs.gov.uk/foi/responses-we-have-made-to-foi-requests/42-responses2012/393-number-of-cases-marked-for-no-further-proceedings-for-no-further-action-in-specific-categories

You can see that quite a lot of crimes reported are either not actually crimes or so minor (in the minds of the police) it would be disproportionate to prosecute.

"West Yorkshire Police's conduct over the last few years from Rotherham to their policing of people's 'thought process'."

Rotherham is in South Yorkshire, not West.

The trouble with all this 'hate crime' stuff is that - as Harry Miller of Fair Cop found out - that anyone can reported a 'hate crime', and even if it completely baseless, without any evidence, and motivated by a grudge or ideological differences, it still has to be recorded as a 'hate crime incident' - •even if there is no evidence for this, the 'victim' is batshit crazy, and no action is taken by the police.

So all the TA fruit loops around the country need to do is report every one they don't like, and - bingo - the 'hate crime' figures go up, and Ben Hunte from the BBC gets his 'trans people are so victimised' story.

And what a surprise that people report these hurty feelings hate crimes to the Yorkshire police. Mermaids and Susie Green are based there, and they have demonstrated they are her own private militia police force. Didn't Yorkshire police travel all the way down to Somerset to interview Posie Parker?

Rotherham is in South Yorkshire, not West.

Sorry, geography has never been my strong point - and me from the North of England too.

Let me correct that to Yorkshire police then.

I'd prefer a breakdown. Given that tweets, comments and so much as a perceived unwelcoming look can be included as a 'hate' crime and not using overly woke language is a 'hate crime' I'd imagine most of these alleged 'crimes' are thinkspeak crimes. But hey. Why let that get in the way of an article designed to further the agenda.

West Yorkshire Police and South Yorkshire Police saw reporting of transgender hate crimes more than treble over three years.’

Cllr Sarah Fields & Dr Heather Brunskell Evans were reported for alleged hate crimes following their recent speeches in Leeds:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3595007-Leeds-Councillor-thanks-Mumsnet-FWR-in-gender-critical-speech

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3596961-Dr-Heather-Brunskell-Evans-at-Leeds-Declaration-Event

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3604612-Heather-Brunskell-Evans-reported-to-W-Yorks-Police-for-alleged-hate-crime

Can someone on twitter ask the BBC and/or Ben Hunte whether these were actual crimes (that resulted in a conviction). Or were they reported 'hate crime incidents' (and therefore could be utterly baseless and politically motivated)?
twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1144029496409899008

Glad to see other posters were able to write what I thought in a less angry way than I was feeling earlier.

I'm am still fizzing that the horrible story about the housing officer was the only actual example given, implying that the rest of the reports were of a similar nature.

And Sue Pascoe. Seriously?

Janice Turner articles will probably account for a large number of "reported hate crimes".