Sue Pascoe

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Check out @JonnnyBest’s Tweet: twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1040152231037861888?s=09
According to twitter Sue Pascoe has given a speech at Tory conference. This is a total disgrace.

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1047426297322979329?s=19
Yes here's the link.

Not very well received by twitter was it?

How can our elected officials be so removed from what the average person thinks? Women are concerned about this, a lot of men are actually transphobic, previously women would have kept those men in line, but they won’t any longer. This will not end well.

I always find it interesting what men are allowed to say vs what women are allowed to say.

twitter.com/PatrickSciatica/status/1047524673569796096

"Insanity is the new black"

The Sue Pascoe photo on h** Twitter account looks nothing like the Sue Pascoe speaking at the conference. Some subterfuge going on here, surely.

Sue Pascoe was appointed Channel 4 Inclusion Consultant during the summer.

thread with quite a lot of background:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

The Conservative LGBT+ group is very male and very white!

www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/people?page=2

The explanation of all the different gender symbols graphic on the PatrickSciatica thread has given me a much-needed late night giggle though!

Sorry, on the Paul Waugh thread, not PatrickSciatica.

GNCManinPink is tweeting about his dealings with Sue and the police, which paint a disturbing picture.

Ancient

I know! What could that all be about then?

I think it's good to see her in the flesh

Spectator lead article by James Kirkup concludes:

"All raise serious issues of public policy, yet politicians are silent, fearful of questioning the trans-rights advocates and the consequences of their orthodoxy. Sometimes with good reason, too. Those MPs, mostly women, who have tried to debate this issue have been showered with online hatred. I’ve stopped counting the politicians, cabinet ministers among them, who tell me privately they worry about the trans agenda but won’t say so publicly

That silence troubles me. I am no social conservative, no culture warrior defending ‘traditional’ values. My interest here is fear of political failure, of what happens when sensible politicians fail to do their job by weighing evidence and reconciling conflicting interests. The failure leaves the trans debate dominated by shrill and aggressive groups intent on eliminating inconvenient evidence and dissenting views.

Failing to debate trans issues on the facts also creates the conditions for deliberate and harmful populism. Rows about trans people in bathrooms are a staple of America’s culture wars. The current vacuum of leadership on the issue means Britain could easily go the same way, if a politician on the make decided to make trouble. That would benefit no one, least of all transgender people, who deserve to live their lives with the same ordinary dignity as anyone else.

That’s not all that’s at stake. Trans-genderism is the perfect ideology for the on-demand internet age. It gives unquestioned primacy to ‘lived experience’, elevates emotion above evidence and convicts — after instant trial by social media — any scrutiny or doubt of that most heinous contemporary crime, intolerance. It chills debate and stifles critical thinking.

Should policies and laws be made on the basis of facts and evidence, or feelings and demands? You might not think so today, but the way our political system responds to the transgender rights movement will matter to everyone."

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384307-James-Kirkup-Spectator-lead-article-Trans-rights-have-gone-wrong-The-new-gender-orthodoxy-allows-no-room-for-dissent

The Conservative LGBT+ group is very male and very white!

I am disappointed in Margot James MP. I remember her turning up at University (LSE). A seriously attractive and likeable blond, who was confidently open about being both Conservative and lesbian, at a time when the Broad Left were very left and a high proportion of the large numbers of international students were very socially conservative. I hope she can show some of the same willingness to go against the prevailing tide, now.

Margot James has retweeted Janice Turner on the subject before.

Good!

So James Kirkup tells us that a number of Cabinet Ministers and other senior politicians have serious reservations. We know that Michael Gove's wife is prepared to put her head above the parapet. We know, from Twitter comments, that Sue Pascoe has not convinced many of the party faithful. We know that the full spectrum of the Tory media, the Sun, the Mail and the Spectator print GC articles. (A well written piece reporting Prof Kathleen Stock's views in the Mail earlier in the week, the Sun on whether Transgenderism is the new anorexia last week, and the excellent James Kirkup in the Speccie.)

Yet David Davies MP seem the only one prepared to stand up and be counted.

My hope is that the Tories have simply decided that they are doing Brexit and that they are holding this issue in reserve as a stick to beat Labour, the LDs and the Greens come election time. Though based on some of the statements I am not so sure.

My hope is that the Tories have simply decided that they are doing Brexit and that they are holding this issue in reserve as a stick to beat Labour, the LDs and the Greens come election time.

But given that it is the Tories who are putting forward the amendments to the Gender Recognition Act, this seems unlikely. I guess it is possible that if we get a white paper and draft bill once the consultation is over, then some Tories might come out of the woodwork.

Check out @JonnnyBest*’s Tweet: twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1040152231037861888?s=09*

Current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384407-Times-letter-petition-STONEWALL-CRITICISED-undermining-women-s-sex-based-rights-and-protections-Jonny-Best-et-al

I actually think that after the consultation changes to the law will be kicked into the long grass.

There is so much legislation needing to be modified and implemented that there simply not enough parliamentry time to deal with it. There has been very little happening legislation wise since Brexit and unless Brexit is cancelled I don't see that happening in the next few years.

Of course that still leaves the problem of society and organisations acting as if self-id is in place.

Of course that still leaves the problem of society and organisations acting as if self-id is in place.

Quite so. This campaign will not end after the publication of the results of the Consultation.

Phase 2 must be directed at getting the government to RECALL its guidelines on transgender 'equality'. It was the height of folly to outsource the guidelines to a pro-trans lobby group.

New guidelines need to be issued, in consultation with women's organisations and trans organisations.

The real problem then is if Labour win any post-Brexit election. They will see their victory as a mandate to move forward on this, using the existing consultation results. And will feel obliged to reward key support groups, regardless of what the public large are saying.