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MP Mark Field grabs female protester by throat

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summerofresistance · 21/06/2019 00:57

I hope she presses charges. Totally unnecessary and unacceptable.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he has form for DV.

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Mrscaindingle · 21/06/2019 07:41

Maybe if she was taken out in a choke hold it may deter these morons

Peacefully protesting the destruction of the planet makes you a moron? As pp have pointed out we don't live in China we are allowed to protest.
I was horrified watching this and shouting at the TV, he looked like he enjoyed it a bit too much. I suspect he's had a long night worrying about the consequences of his behaviour....good.

Faithless12 · 21/06/2019 07:46

@SkintAsASkintThing my vision is good but you must have super vision to see her expression “as she marched towards him” as her back was towards the camera at the exact point you are talking about. In any case she did not resist except to move his hand away from her throat which he does in the first two seconds of the video briefly. So he used excessive force.
I have never been to a protest but if we go down the line of people who are attacked for protesting deserve whatever ‘punishment’ given, we will become a dictatorship. This isn’t a woman thing, he’d be wrong to do the same to a man. Secure the situation if necessary but don’t use force where it is not required.

Isatis · 21/06/2019 07:47

Had there been security there they'd have done much the same

Do you seriously believe security weren't present in the room where the Chancellor of the Exchequer was giving a speech?

And does anyone believe that if this woman posed a credible security risk they wouldn't have dealt with her?

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 21/06/2019 07:49

'we need more men like this'

What the hell have I just read? Are you serious?

Fucking shameful gaslighting.

FermatsTheorem · 21/06/2019 07:50

The longer BBC clip clearly shows that she was no threat to him and that his physical reaction was completely uncalled for and over the top, and totally unacceptable violence. (His red angry face is, I would say, typical of a certain type of male bully when he loses his temper.)

"Grabbing by the throat" is an inaccurate description however, and as we've seen, such factual inaccuracies both detract from talking about how serious Field's violence was, and allow every politically motivated victim blamer a huge opening to derail the thread.

MrsBertBibby · 21/06/2019 07:52

I wonder how much nice free booze he had shipped before this assault?

LarryGreysonsDoor · 21/06/2019 07:52

Given the recent murder of Jo Cox I imagine all politicians are on high alert

Well yes but let’s look at the news on any certain day.
How many MPs assaulted?
How many women assaulted or murdered?

Milicentbystander72 · 21/06/2019 08:01

Last night I found out that my good friend was a protester. She's front and centre being marched out by two men on Daily Mail online (I think it's DM?).

I'm not surprised to see her here. She's been arrested for Greenpeace direct action before. She's been locked up for 24 hours in Germany. She's protested on the roof of the House of Commons.

I'm not sure what I think. She can definitely handle herself and is no gentle flower. I felt rather uncomfortable though seeing her face in the photo. She looked worried like I'd never seen before. Hopefully it was just a moment in time. I haven't managed to speak to her yet.

I think (knowing her way of thinking) that they'll be pleased that the MP's actions towards the other protester have resulted in front page news. I'm sure she'll think "job done".

LadyWithLapdog · 21/06/2019 08:05

Shocking assault and complacent bystanders. I’m deeply disappointed to see anyone defending violence like this.

RoyalCorgi · 21/06/2019 08:09

Mark Field was unnecessarily aggressive. It must have been really frightening for the protestor.

As for him thinking she was armed...seriously, how many cases can you name in, say, the last five years of a woman making an armed attack on a male politician?

DpWm · 21/06/2019 08:10

If you genuinely think someone is armed, the last thing you do is go and physically assault them, they can just reach into the bag and shoot/stab you far more easily.

Climate change protesters wearing luxe red dresses don't exactly have a reputation for violence. A reputation for shouting, singing and parking boats maybe.

He didn't think she was armed. He was more likely angry at a woman who might be about to sing something badly, and used what looks like a known technique of applying pressure to the main artery leading into your head, to force her out of the room.

If you genuinely think someone is armed, you alert everyone, call the police and get under the table. He didn't use that known technique did he.

Evenquieterlife33 · 21/06/2019 08:15

Just watched the clip it’s awful, she walks down the room and at the point she passes behind him there is a pillar which narrows the gap to pass through, he jumps up and pins her to the pillar by her neck, she turns recoiling as he continues to hold her and marches her out by her neck.
He is not the police. He had no right to touch her. She was moving with no physical or verbal threat to anybody. Sack him.

WeeBisom · 21/06/2019 08:15

He's now claiming he genuinely thought she was about to attack, so his claim is self defence. Under English law, you can use self defence for the facts as you believe them to be - so if you think someone is about to attack you, you can pre-emptively use reasonable force against them even if they aren't going to attack you at all. England doesn't have a duty to retreat doctrine, so you don't have to run away from an imminent attack.I don't think this was reasonable force, though.

Notthebloodymustardcushion · 21/06/2019 08:17

I cannot believe the amount of people defending this mans actions. This woman should not have been there, but all she did was attempt to walk past him, she made no moves suggestive of anything other than a peaceful statement. She didn’t attempt to approach him, or anyone else, she didn’t reach into her bag, or raise a hand as if to attack. His actions were disgustingly disproportionate and he came to them so quickly, it put me in the mind that it almost appeared a standard reaction from him! Neck/throat doesn’t matter, he went for that vulnerable area of her body immediately and with force, which is extremely agressive and intended to overpower and intimidate.

He should be sacked, no questions asked. Appalling behaviour and to attempt to excuse it on any level is frankly disturbing.

RiversDisguise · 21/06/2019 08:17

It's just that the hyperbolic descriptions don't match the video. It definitely detracts from the impact.

He had no right to touch her. He could have used his size to block her easily enough.

SEmummy · 21/06/2019 08:18

I fully support Mark Fields and his action. After what has happened with Jo Cox then of course politicians should be on high alert for both themselves and for their colleagues and this is from someone who hates the Torys. If this was a man then we would not be battering an eyelid. Regardless of whether she appeared threatening or not but if someone is approaching you (or a colleague) after they have just broken out from an angry group (which you can see from the longer clip) then I would protect me and mine in any way possible. However complete failure from their security team.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/06/2019 08:19

Having seen the second clip, of the other women, also dressed in red, there is no way he didn't know that there was a Greenpeace protest happening. Hammond had been asked to stop speaking whilst the protestors were dealt with, all in the room knew what was going on, the whole area by the doors was full of women speaking, demanding changes, and a lot of security.

Field was angry. The way he first contacted her, hand to her chest, straight arming her off, onto the pillar, is not how a man would normally handle a woman in a thin, armless dress. He was simply angry... and he reacted like any angry, bullish man does. He literally manhandled her out. That was a man who has had some training in self defence using it to overpower a woman and remove her, as though she were a much larger, more violent threat. It looked to be a disproportionate action.

The hand clap wasn't applause for him though, was it? It was a slow hand clap, the sort used to show displeasure and was probably aimed at the Greenpeace protestors.

Evenquieterlife33 · 21/06/2019 08:19

Here is the clip if anybody missed it
Pushed to the pillar, grabbed by the wrist turned and marched out by the neck.
apple.news/AEzBxQ_6ySIOrzNnTUCXnJA

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isabellerossignol · 21/06/2019 08:20

I'd be amazed if he had gone anywhere near her if he genuinely thought she was armed. It takes a special sort of bravery to tackle someone who is armed and very few people have it. (And I don't blame them for not having it, it doesn't make you weak, it makes sense really)

DramaRamaLlama · 21/06/2019 08:22

This aged well

MP Mark Field grabs female protester by throat
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/06/2019 08:23

after they have just broken out from an angry group They were a group of women deliberately dressed in thin, armless bright red dresses talking over Hammond, demanding he reconsider the UK policy on climate control.

Not really dangerous... they seemed to have set out to make themselves look very distinctive (Handmaids etc) and with the style of dresses quite vulnerable and obviously not hiding anything.

They were irritating, obstructive but not violent, they didn't even seem angry, just loud and determined.

I am not saing she shouldn't have been stopped, but that his actions were disproportionately angry and aggressive.

AnyFucker · 21/06/2019 08:24

battering an eyelid

Interesting typo

isabellerossignol · 21/06/2019 08:26

If this was a man then we would not be battering an eyelid.

But the whole point is that he would be Very unlikely to have done that to a man, because a man would most likely have the strength to resist. My husband is of average height and build and strength and I can't imagine anyone being able shove him aside as easily as that.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 21/06/2019 08:29

He did grab her by the scruff

But there was absolutely no need to do that as other posters have said

Its assault as far as im concerned, victim blaming to say she she deserved it and quite obviously he wouldn’t do it to anyone he actually though was a threat

Im assuming all the ‘it was only her scruff’ haven’t actually been grabbed by the scruff of their necks ...it fucking hurts and your average man would more than likely be putting pressure on her throat