Ed Davey Webchat

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Heads up if you haven't seen it:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3614469-Webchat-with-Ed-Davey-Lib-Dem-leadership-candidate-on-Tuesday-18-June-at-1-30pm?pg=1

He has started a thread on twitter about it.

twitter.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1140930197476315136

It interesting to see the priority of those posting and who is saying what.

And EHRC?

Lime you did when forced to. Not before. Not off your own bat. Not unless you had to.

As I said I copied the maternity bit as that's what I was referring to
FFS lol, there's really nothing sinister
Then when it was pointed out I'd missed a bit, yes, I answered that bit as well.
Can't bloody win lol

Nope, just a differing opinion. We are still allowed on of those you know.

Gender recognition certificate. Since 2004 it has been possible to legally change sex, having met particular criteria. The law states that except for a small number of exceptions (e.g. sport) a GRC holder must be treated as their acquired sex.

The Lib Dem’s want to remove the requirement to meet criteria before legal recognition of sex change.

The 2004 law doesn’t make much sense, but removing all criteria means that effectively sex based rights would be replaced by gender based rights.

Unfortunately no one can explain what gender is, so effectively it means no more protection of women’s rights.

Equality and Human Rights Commission

The 2004 law doesn’t make much sense, but removing all criteria means that effectively sex based rights would be replaced by gender based rights.

And it means that anyone can identify as a woman (or a man), by filling out a form.

You can change legal sex and have an F on your birth certificate.

And yes, women can do the same in terms of having M. But there are no women clamouring to get into male prisons/changing rooms/sport.

(Which is how we have ended up with convicted male born rapists being sent to female prisons and assaulting the inmates).

^ in answer to Mammajay

Mammajay, GRC = gender recognition certificate and EHRC = Equality and Human Rights Commission

I've come to the conclusion that on this issue the Lib Dems are a lost cause. This is the party of Cyril Smith and Lord Rennard. They don't give a shit about whether women have been treated badly or humiliated. Civil liberties and the rights of the (male) individual are in their DNA, they don't do structural analysis.

What was he supposed to say in regards to what is a woman ?

"As we all know, a woman is an adult human female. There's another group of people we treat socially as women, and that's transwomen who have a GRC".

Bingo. Support women, support transexual males, where's the problem ? Bonus - no lies in that explanation.

FFS, people are getting paid a heck of lot to do worse at answering questions than me.

Arrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh is all I can say. Heaven help the ill and disabled if people switch votes to the Tories. And god help women with the majority of these politicians. Dystopia is here.

He's put me right off the LDs.

The very idea that recognizing what a woman is, is homophobic. It's the opposite. Just think for a minute how a gay man defines himself. Think about the word homosexual.

Heaven help the ill and disabled if people switch votes to the Tories.

Having read the full thread I was just about to post this. Never mind getting into bed with Mermaids (bad enough), the Tories have done untold harm to women, who make up the majority of benefit claimants, with their ideological position on welfare.

I feel politically homeless and currently quite despondent about finding a party which respects and represents the GC position, but as a disabled woman with a disabled DH, I will bang rusty nails into my eyes with a fence post before I will ever vote Tory.

I will vote Tory. Their conservatism will be the best chance women have. They are much less likely to be overly liberal and they don't mind admitting it. Labour and lib dems are strictly for the social media generation.

Their conservatism will be the best chance women have.

So long as said women have independent wealth and aren’t reliant on employment rights or any kind of DWP benefit.

They are much less likely to be overly liberal and they don't mind admitting it.

True, in the current climate individual MPs who voice their concerns are perhaps most likely to be Tory, but this attack on women's rights has been enabled by core Conservative policies. It didn't just come out of nowhere.
The disproportionate impact of austerity on women, the erosion of women's rights and the silencing of women have all happened under Conservative government, and it's not a coincidence.
Look at Maria Miller. A woman, traditional Tory, the chair of the Women & Eq Select Committee. What has she done for women?

"As we all know, a woman is an adult human female. There's another group of people we treat socially as women, and that's transwomen who have a GRC".

How ironic that GC women are the ones being called bigots and excluders, yet we are the ones who find ways to treat everyone with the respect that is their due, and we are the ones who find ways to be inclusive.

They are much less likely to be overly liberal and they don't mind admitting it.

Unfortunately on this issue I think they are just apathetic. They don't have the political will to make changes to GRC legislation, but equally I don't think they care enough about equality to protect sex based rights. If they want to make a stand on a human rights issue it's more likely to be the right to hunt foxes.