Ed Davey Webchat

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Heads up if you haven't seen it:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3614469-Webchat-with-Ed-Davey-Lib-Dem-leadership-candidate-on-Tuesday-18-June-at-1-30pm?pg=1

He has started a thread on twitter about it.

twitter.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1140930197476315136

It interesting to see the priority of those posting and who is saying what.

It is rather a 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

I wonder if you realise how much damage you are doing to the reputation of Mumsnet in the real world by this incessant harping on about a non-issue?

Just think of the damage we are doing talking about women rather than prams.

falsely claiming to be trans

You can't falsely claim to be trans if trans is based on self declaration. That's what self-ID is.

Anyway: one women or child harmed is one too many for me. Not for you?

Using that example to claim that all trans people are dangerous

Why don't you and that half arsed prat of a politician actual listen to what we are saying, rather than imaging what we are saying.

You know what? I took one small positive out of poor Ed's floundering with his fucking fig roll.

Which was: he completely failed to even include the nod to "women have raised some concerns which not transphobic blah which we will end up ignoring but we are at least trying to keep women onside nods pats heads^ that a lot (most?) politicians have starting doing in the last few months.

Keep puuuuuuuulllllllllling.

EverardDigby wrote
"I work with women who as children have been sexually abused, trafficked, experienced crime and violence in their families, been in care, i and I have never met people as disadvantaged, misunderstood and discriminated against, yet their lives have been massively changed by women only space."

Macareaux wrote
"it's no skin off your nose. Your not a young girl hoping to excel in women's sports. You're not an abused women having to shack up in a shelter with an abusive man called Tiffany."

Azuresilver wrote
"The vast majority of women and men couldn't care less about it - it doesn't affect us."

That's nice. Was it just bad timing, Azure?

I believe in the freedom of the individual to be who they want to be - and not to be told who they are by society.

Unless you are a woman who doesn't want to be stuffed in a gender box, and then we will enshrine sexist ideology in law. And if you don't like it we will tell you that you are mums on mumsnet who should really be talking about prams. After all shouldn't you be putting other people first? Isn't that what good mothers do?

Aaaaaaargh!!!!!!

I voted Lib dem (reluctantly) for the EU elections.

Congratulations Ed! You just lost two voters (DH as well) who were looking for a political home.

Missed all this (as I was doing woman things like mothering and breastfeeding a poorly baby) and just caught up on the original thread, to the definition of women.

My thoughts:

Wow.

Mansplaining on mumsnet about what a woman is.

To many women who've suffered because of their biological sex.

Don't even deserve a biscuit.

I've always voted LD, no more votes from me.

I hate the right but I'm just so incensed by the insanity that I'm considering voting conservative. Have the conservatives definitely said they'll honor women's spaces?

Unfortunately...

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mayor-quizzed-gender-neutral-toilets-16437625

But I reckon they're the best bet tbh.

I do personally know a lot of GC greens and labour candidates though.

Lets face it women continue to suffer discrimination - dismissal due to pregnancy, low conviction rates of rape, period poverty, forced marriage, FGM. Surely we need to unite not divide in the face of inequality?

Unite? With whom? Which transwomen suffer discrimination - dismissal due to pregnancy, low conviction rates of rape, period poverty, forced marriage, FGM?

Neurotrash I am coming round to the view that we should vote LibDem but only for candidates who we know to be GC. By doing that we strengthen the GC ranks within the parties and hopefully create a platform for the GC element to grow in the future and become dominant.Ifwe all spoil our voted TBH it achieves nothing.

So no vote for Ed Davey needless to say!

I'm considering voting conservative

The Conservative government is the worst offender, as far as the erosion of women's protections are concerned. Since being in power, they have introduced self i/d by stealth in public services and governmental advice to businesses.

They have been in thrall to Trans pressure groups to the extent of funding them and their training courses. They considered Mermaids a key "stakeholder". It was a Conservative government that invited Gendered intelligence to sit on a review board to make decisions about the placement of self described trans people into women's prisons - despite the fact that GI had no expertise in offender management. The Conservatives were responsible for Karen White, in other words.

One single solitary Conservative MP has backed women. The rest show no interest - or if they do, they keep a low profile.

The Conservative party has done untold damage to the protections that safeguarded women and children before they came to power. There is no sign of a reversal in the policy of 'inclusion'.

There is no way that the Conservative Party can persuade me that it has my and your interest at heart.

Aren't libdems pro porn and prostitution too? The "We all make our own choosy choices" brigade.
At least the conservatives acknowledge that porn and prostitution need to be reigned in. Yes for different reasons to feminists . I cannot believe the conservatives seem like the best option for women. What kind of upside down today turvy world is this?

@theOtherPamAyres
Okay thanks for clearing that up! Trans is such a Lefty movement that I had some hope that the conservatives would at least not cave on this. But trans is a male rights movement so we should of course expect the conservatives to be on board with it too I suppose

Trans is not a lefty movement, its neoliberal and supported by several big players on the Right, including Jennifer Pritzker.
Its supported by the Labour Party as they have abandoned Socialism and class politics in favour of neoliberalism.

Aren't libdems pro porn and prostitution too? The "We all make our own choosy choices" brigade

Yeah i voted lib dem, dh has voted lib dem in the last GE and loves chukka so would be voting moving forward as well

I won’t bother in future...and not because of their views per se, but more the ‘no debate’ aspect...and yeah the prostitution bit is a shitty move

Ds1 is a member of the lib dems...he will stay in long enough to vote in the next leader

What happens if you are a little girl and you are denied your own identity by the gender fairies:

www.thepostmillennial.com/ontario-family-files-human-rights-complaint-after-six-year-old-girl-upset-by-gender-theory-in-school/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Ontario family files human rights complaint after six-year-old girl upset by gender theory in school

Stories related to gender identity in childhood usually have for their protagonist a child who is distressed over the disparity between her or his biological reality and their perceived gender. The scenario often presents educators as enlightened, affirming allies of the child, while the parents, behind the times, so to speak, resist affirmation and cause the child further anxiety. In these cases the injustice to the child seems pretty clear cut to many rights-attuned Canadians. The child’s right to express his or her gender identity trumps the parents’ right to oppose it.

Here we have the opposite case. N’s gender identity is—or was—seamless comfort in her biological skin. She had never questioned that comfort. Suddenly she was told to believe that at any moment, what she believes to be real—that she is a girl—may not be true. How very frightening that thought must be to a child who is not old enough to grasp the abstract concept of gender fluidity. Her parents are the allies here, and her educational environment is where she fails to find affirmation. Why could she not be accommodated as well as the questioning child? Why did this situation have to end up at a human rights tribunal?

The Tories have had 2 female leaders, which is much more than Labour or Lib Dems ever will.

I would vote Tory over Labour or Lib Dem.

mumfun - id agree but I know of less GC Lib Dem's than any other party!

Who is GC?

@GrumpyCatLives That's very true isn't it. Labor is supposed to be the party of choice for women because of its socialist policies. And yet both our female prime ministers were Tory

I'm certainly not going to vote for a party just based on who's had female leaders. I mean, the SNPs have Sturgeon, and look how's that working out for women's rights in Scotland...

This really isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I think he answered well.
I mean, what was he supposed to say?! I see the very first question is "define woman."
As someone who has repeatedly (and I mean REPEATEDLY) been on the end of that question, there is no answer he could have given without the entire conversation being bogged down and taken over with trans issues as it would have gone on forever and nothing else asked.
I mean, he even got the "try again" trotted out. He's probably a MNer lurker and seen it all already and gone in with a "Right! I'm ready, better have an answer straight away" instead of coming in with a "WTF, argh" attitude
As MN HQ said, it wasn't intended to be a one topic conversation which it would have been otherwise.
I think he laid out his beliefs really well which is that he cares for trans women too. Which is fair enough and I actually admire him for sticking to his beliefs instead of crumbling to some (note, I said some not all) of the hate on here.
Which there is sometimes even if you think there isn't.
I'd don my flame proof pants but meh, I'm used to it by now lol