Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman.

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MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

Again generally speaking, I find it equally interesting to observe which feminist threads and topics are viewed as boundary violation opportunities, and which are not. Wanking at work, for example, is not - even though it is a topic all about boundary violation.

How odd

It is Lang
Some threads seem unusually disproportionately populated by posters demonstrating particular patterned responses.

Im sure there's a feminist paper in there somewhere.

I’ve only been back on for a week or so, before that I haven’t been on since February I think.

Interestingly, when I unblocked feminism the first thing I saw was an absolutely vile video from poise Parker. I couldn’t even bring myself to comment on that.

I’m allowed to comment on whatever I want and this was the first thread I saw that didn’t wake me want to vomit.

Doesn’t make me a man to question debate. And it’s a typical silencing tactic that needs to end.

I find the use of boundary violation fascinating as it indicates that there are boundaries to your feminism and does not take into acount intersectional feminism which seeks to break down such boundaries, and include all woman.

Bespin it seems apparent that you maybe struggling to understand 'boundary violation'

What words you use to describe a transman?

We used to use trans identified male or female until people were banned for using the terms.

Transmen don't pose a threat to wear men in any way at all which is why they aren't mentioned as often on a feminist board.
The biggest harm they cause is to themselves.

What words you use to describe a transman?

I use workarounds. It's a rejection of the whole harmful ideology, you see. Try to get your head around that and you might understand why many posters aren't using terms they think are inaccurate.

you’re probably calling me a man for a moment

R0 is not calling you a man. You are using verbal pyrotechnics, attempting to trap her so that you can pretend she called you a man.

Big difference. Also boring tactic and over-used.

I would personally prefer it if you desisted but won't be attempting to censor your views via the reporting system. See how it works?

^ Women not wear men!

crosspelican

I agree with you.

Before I came on MN I actually shared many of the concerns expressed on here - safeguarding, single sex spaces etc and still do to some extent.

However, seeing how some people express those views on here, and saying how they also rail against things that have no impact on women, has made me reconsider my views.

Using the term trans woman does absolutely no harm whatsoever to women. The same as advocating for a 3rd space. How does that harm women in any way? Yet many people on here vehemently oppose it. That is just mean spiritness as you say.

I find it fascinating how some people want to police the narrative of threads on here that question the norm on here and will jump on anyone who does so. they will often use the same cut and paste responces and police other woman who don't agree with there view or imply they are men.

but I find a lot of things fascinating as we all do. People are great arnt they

I’m allowed to comment on whatever I want and this was the first thread I saw that didn’t wake me want to vomit.

Ive been very distressed by the apparent systemic breakdown in Safeguarding frameworks at the NSPCC.

It didn't make me nauseous but it hasimpacted this week.

We all have different emotional responses I suppose.
Probably speaks to core values, personal circumstances etc

I wonder what you meant by this then?

Its always interesting to observe males attempting to disrupt women discussing the impact of not being able to correctly identify some males.

Oh so you agree with most people that "male" = man? Interesting.

why don't we all stop using the same tactics thst we always use in these threads. or are we all just bored and it's to much fun not to play these games.

This is the bit I don’t get.

Yes Earlywalker. I know. And don't think there's much more to be said about it.

does not take into acount intersectional feminism which seeks to break down such boundaries

That's queer theory, dear. Do keep up.

Try the wanking at work threads. Good, helpful information about boundary violation on them.

R0 is not calling you a man. You are using verbal pyrotechnics, attempting to trap her so that you can pretend she called you a man.

Big difference. Also boring tactic and over-used

Absolutely correct Lang

I haven't called anyone on this thread a man.
Nor have I called any public figures known to be transwomen 'a man'

Before I came on MN I actually shared many of the concerns expressed on here - safeguarding, single sex spaces etc and still do to some extent.

However, seeing how some people express those views on here, and saying how they also rail against things that have no impact on women, has made me reconsider my views.

Oh no. We'll have to soldier on without your invaluable support.

Using the term trans woman does absolutely no harm whatsoever to women.

Except it's been explained by several posters how it does. An article exploring this in depth has been linked to several times. You disagree. Good for you.

Totally fascinating stuff how people exhibit behaviours, like we all do and then people attribute a gender to them based on samples and then don't allow anyone to exhibit them who is not that gender.

Exactly this.

I am astonished at how so many, apparently feminist posters, attach gender stereotypes to other posters on here.

They seem to think that they can identify a poster's sex simply by the time if their posts - which actually is incredibly sexist. What they are saying is that this behaviour is stereotypically male and that women don't behave in that way. Is that feminism? Insisting that women think and behave in a certain way?

why don't we all stop using the same tactics thst we always use in these threads. or are we all just bored and it's to much fun not to play these games.

It would be refreshing if you did Bespin

Id quite like to discuss feminist theory and language as raised in the Dr Julia Long speech.

I was fortunate to be one of the last cohort who had the opportunity to do Women's Studies (before it was colonised by Queer theory & became Gender Studies). Im also interested in language.

It’s interesting isn’t it when males, tell women the terms they are allowed to use, when referencing them.
TRAs have set the agenda here, MNHQ are having to bow to their demands and we are also having to use specific language.
When women say no, it’s clear for all what happens-the men get angry.

Rowan it’s a bit hypocritical to tell me what I should and shouldn’t be concerned about don’t you think?

Considering the ‘feminism’ board speaks far more about transwoman than it does about issues facing actual woman. Having a browse through when reopening feminism, couldn’t see much about grooming Gangs, teenage girls being harassed, rape/marital rape, Coercive control, domestic violance, abortion rights, female healthcare, heals at work... all the things that used to matter to feminists.

But I can’t say that can I? Because you’re all allowed to post what you want and shock horror, so am I.

R0wantrees

having to state very clearly you are not doing something is often very fascinating behavior don't you think lol

They seem to think that they can identify a poster's sex simply by the time if their posts - which actually is incredibly sexist. What they are saying is that this behaviour is stereotypically male and that women don't behave in that way. Is that feminism? Insisting that women think and behave in a certain way?

You seem to be misunderstanding what 'male-pattern behaviours' means.

There is Im sure much feminist theory to assist.

Oh no. We'll have to soldier on without your invaluable support.

Quite an odd way if thinking really. How can we get women to support our viewpoint? Aah yes, the best way to do it is to alienate them.

having to state very clearly you are not doing something is often very fascinating behavior don't you think lol

Its an appropriate response to false allegations, attempt to goad & manipulate.

Its the only appropriate response since to do anything other than repeat factually is to provide 'supply'

Every single person I have spoken to thinks Trans woman means a woman has transitioned to male.
I used to think this - it's confusing when you first start hearing/reading it.
I've started to pronounce it transwo-man, à la Mike Myers' "woah-man" in So I married an Axe Murderer