Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman.

[happydappy2]

MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

JanesKettle.

janeskettle

Incidentally, the amount of backlash on this thread to the suggestion that women should be allowed to call male people 'men' is indeed very illuminating.

Very. The lengths some people go to...

And the idea that no-one notices.

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I see the thread on AIBU that asks if it's unreasonable not to call men women has been taken down.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF

All feminists are critical of gender stereotypes - apart from the ones on here who adhere to stereotypes in order to determine the sex of a poster?

Apparently some of us post in the manner of a man and so therefore can't be female. I find that quite stereotypical.

I’m very critical of gender stereotypes, which is why I was very upset at being told my manner was too aggressive to be a woman. I was more shocked that no one on a board of feminists felt to comment on those statements.

However, what I meant was separating the boards wasn’t a bad idea so that more woman can get back involved with feminism if they don’t want to see trans threads all the time.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF

I mean being told that the way you communicate shows that you are a man (when I'm definitely not).

That must be reverting to stereotypes surely? How does a man communicate Vs how a woman communicates?

Making those distinctions is surely relying on stereotypes.

Why can't a woman be assertive, direct or even aggressive? Can you not be those things and female?

I didn’t say me did I?
There was a thread on site or something recently about how to block a subject, pretty much all of them were saying they’ve blocked the feminist boards. Obviously people can do what they like, I just think woman should be encouraged into feminism and as is evident, this is not a welcoming place if you don’t think right. It wasn’t a personal dig. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t be hiding under the name of feminism and shouldn’t post here or anything like that but obviously there is a LOT more to feminism than trans people.

And also, I don’t post on regular boards under this name. As I said previously, people go insane over this subject and I would not want to risk being ‘outed’ I make lots of contributions on mumsnet.

But patterns are not guarantees. Not everyone will conform to those patterns.

That is applying stereotypes. You don't post like a woman so therefore you are a man is a stereotype.

I tend to use "man who identifies as a woman" as any other terms confuse people. Many "lay" people think "transwoman" is an actual woman who is trans.

I don't think you can do that over just one medium. And what are you risk assessing?

How are my posts "male"? What is the male stereotype that I am confirming to?

How you risk assess? I’m sorry but you are clutching at straws.

Unless you have some sort of insecurity surely you just laugh it off?

How do you laugh it off? It is used as a tool on here to try to silence people, to disregard our opinions, to intimidate you.

How is that simply something to laugh off? Do you just laugh off women being silenced in other walks of life?

I would never ‘laugh off’ being told I’m my manner is too aggressive to be female. When as a woman, I’ve had a lifetime of fighting through men to have my voice heard. Yes I’ve been aggressive, yes I’ve been angry, how dare you tell me that that’s not ‘womanly’ enough.

A good friend always said if a woman isn’t angry, she’s not paying attention.

I will not be submissive to meet a stereotype of how a woman should behave.

So you didn't say "why not just laugh it off" then?