Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

It’s obvious that his work was a key part of his fetish. Hence filming himself at work, wearing fetish gear under work clothes, masturbating at work.

Here's his admission that his fetish has become part of his 'everyday life' (work?)

Fetish should sit happily alongside your regular life. You don't need to 'come out' as a fetishist, and its fine if it stays separate from your everyday life, it's also fine if that line blurs a little too, mine certainly has.

www.recon.com/en/Blog/Article/member-article-10-things-ive-learnt-in-10-years-on-the-fetish-scene/2711

From twitter link
twitter.com/DidyouRedo/status/1139330809847078912

I’ve pdf’d that interview.

Going back to the change in the NSPCC's advice for children, it seems to me they've lost sight of what grooming is.

The whole point of grooming, from the paedophile's perspective, is to persuade the victim that an activity which in actual fact is inherently abusive, exploitative and utterly age inappropriate, is supposedly consensual, enjoyable and may even have been initiated by the victim.

This makes the victim more compliant and less likely to report. That's why abusers go to the effort of grooming rather than dragging random kids into the bushes.

Which is one reason why the NSPCC's new advice is so dumb - because most abuse victims will have been groomed into seeing nothing wrong with what's being done.

Which is why objectively framed advice, focussing on actions rather than feelings (like their older PANTS stuff) is so important.

Juells good spot.

Oops, correction - confused it with this one: www.recon.com/en/blog/article/member-interview-jrubbercub/2614

Both have now been PDF’d.

Social media; lack of understanding of social media, poor diligence over social media, an inability to check social media, questionable use of social media and a desire to control of social media seem to be a theme here.

Social media is amplifying toxic mens rights because algorithams are male written and social media is dominated by men due to its unregulated nature. Its gamergate magnified. It always has been.

There is now a growing awareness that the unregulated nature is a problem so there is a power grab for control of the regulatory frameworks for social media to ensure that other political voices (notably women's) are marginalised and frozen out.

Censorship is always problematic because it gives power to someone which is why it is important that is based on a broad social consensus across the political spectrum.

In an era of political polarisation this is more difficult and problematic - we have a culture war going on, in which social media is at its very heart.

This is why MN is singled out as being 'toxic'. It has a broad base and isn't dominated by men in the same way.

That he felt confident enough to put that out there on twitter hints at an attitude permeating the whole organisation, that women are silly, hysterical, just say anything to get rid of them if they contact with safeguarding worries.

It was contemptuous.

Spoke volumes about both the individual & the ethos/culture in which he was working.

These behaviours when made public & then gone unchecked speak to the prevailing atitudes within a team, possibly department & potentially organisation.

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All the twitter outrage from LGBTQ+++ supporters... they keep demanding the NSPCC spells out exactly why MB was considered unsuitable. Have they thought through that they might get more than they bargained for, and that perhaps MB is counting on the NSPCC not spelling things out, so that victim-hood can be claimed?

Why are they insisting that complaints about a rubber fetishist wanking in work are driven by homophobia? Who knew that person was gay before OJ trumpeted his indignation? Most people would have assumed he was heterosexual, I think. All they're doing is linking fetishism with 'gay' in the minds of the public.

This is why MN is singled out as being 'toxic'.

I think of those making such a false accusation then it must be an admission.

Its control pattern / narcissistic / abuse behaviour

Always worth considering who are those pushing this narrative?
Look at the potential consequences of their agendas whether individuals or collectives.

You have to assume he was a) aware of the organisational policy and advice about online useage and how it can be used against you and do damage to the brand (he was working in branding and pr) b) Ignored it all anyway, cos he thought it didn't matter nor apply to him for whatever reason.

Giving the benefit of the doubt its naive and stupid. But the tone smacks of arrogance, entitlement and that it was something that was totally ok.

And I stress again, this is someone hired on the premise that they were supposed to understand public image and how that is maintained and promoted. This isn't someone who has no awareness of this. It was their fucking job to understand it.

He was a terrible hire. He's been pulled up on it previously.

No one followed it up.

Therefore you CAN NOT say it is anything BUT institutional and throughout the organisation as it series of problematic issues that more than one person were in some way involved in.

He might be the focus but the more you look at it, the more you can't say that other people WEREN'T aware of it. And even if they weren't thats an institutional failure in its own right, because they bloody well should have been.

DJLippy
The tweets are unavailable, presumably due to suspension.

Have you been able to save copies?

Therefore you CAN NOT say it is anything BUT institutional and throughout the organisation as it series of problematic issues that more than one person were in some way involved in.

He might be the focus but the more you look at it, the more you can't say that other people WEREN'T aware of it. And even if they weren't thats an institutional failure in its own right, because they bloody well should have been

This ^^
That this is within a charity concerned with child protection will mean systemic Safeguarding framework failures.

You can't police anyone else if you can't police yourself properly.

still reading, still boggling

part of it is the professionalisation of charities - the idea that experience isn't important - if you've been in marketing for Anne Summers you'll be a great fit for marketing at a children's charity

All the twitter outrage from LGBTQ+++ supporters... they keep demanding the NSPCC spells out exactly why MB was considered unsuitable. Have they thought through that they might get more than they bargained for, and that perhaps MB is counting on the NSPCC not spelling things out, so that victim-hood can be claimed

I know! Terminally thick! That Novovirus twit Bastani was doing it.

You can't police anyone else if you can't police yourself properly.

This.

Juells/ fermats

I would be very interested to hear what an NSPCC representative would have to say to a child who's father had transitioned and the impact and behaviour had affected both the child and the mother within the relationship, the were disturbed and mourned the loss of their father and were also confused by the way in which the new personality was being expressed.

I would also be very interested to hear what they would say and how they would be inclusive towards young people who are de transitioning and have had irreversible damage done to their body and also felt abused and bullied by the community that claimed to support them.

So an NSPCC Twitter rep calls Women terfs and silly for being concerned. Child sexual abuse isn't happening as long as the child isn't distressed and

Mr Wanless removed biological sex and replaced it with 'gender identity':

"As an organisation we are committed to creating an internal culture and working and volunteering environment in which all our people feel included, equal, respected and valued. This is regardless of their ethnicity, creed, sexual orientation, age, religion, marital status or gender identity."

So children are being gaslighted and coerced into denying the reality of their own eyes, are complicit in their own abuse if they don't realise it's going on, and women who are concerned are being slurred.

No wonder they didn't show up for their own web chat.

Actually, JM was just a shop assistant at Anne Summers.

The logged in version of his Linked In CV is screen spotted and uploaded on KF (Zinnia Jones thread). It’s a bit weird because it’s shop assistant/very short work experience & internships/2 shorter PR gigs and then the NSPCC.

He basically goes from bottom of the barrel runner to top tree position in charge of great swathes of budget.

Either his CV is inflated bullshit or he met someone influential who helped him bypass the middle stages.

DJLippy that is extremely concerning.

So no press, no public scrutiny, massive defensiveness from NSPCC and now people on Twitter like MakeMoreNoise (this you?) is being shut down and tweets hidden.

Fucking hell.

If he can get enough 'evidence' to suggest he was being sacked for being gay, then he could sue them for a great deal of money as sexual orientation is a protected characteristic. That's why they're keeping him on. If it had been a straight guy his feet wouldn't have touched the ground as he was escorted from the building.

then I would suggest that this type of person is exactly the sort of person who might not have an objective awareness of their inappropriate experiences and their own psychology, and who might then say that child sexualisation and/child sexual abuse is only harmful if the child objects..

Sounds like something Peter Tatchell might say. Mission creep.

It's certainly making me wonder how high those with nefarious intentions might have climbed the charity/corporate/governmental trees.

PIE was disbanded; that doesn't mean those interested in the subject matter have gone away, and the internet has undoubtedly allowed them to make contact more easily with others sharing their interests.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/munroe-bergdorfs-sacking-and-the-failure-of-the-media/

The excellent James Kirkup leading the way as usual.