People ARE aware and thinking about the trans agenda. And they don't like it.

[Lamaha]

I live a very quiet, rural life and rarely meet new people. My close family know I am GC and so do a few friends, but I would never open the subject with a stranger.

At present though I am at a gathering of about 16 people at a country house; I've never met any of them before. Yesterday I went for a walk with three of them: a man from Dublin, a woman from Santa Fe, USA, and a woman who lives at the Barbicon, London. A very disparate group; I had known them only a few days. All aged in their 50's or 60's.

We were having a nice normal chat when out of the blue, the American began talking about pronouns, and how you now had to say they and them for everyone, and how she hated it. The man immediately leaped in. He was very angry about this, because, in his work, he is required to use certain pronouns and he thinks it totally ridiculous. "If you don't," he said, "they will come after you like a pack of raging mad dogs. It's terrible!" He was utterly furious. The Barbicon woman jumped in to explain about the alphabet salad and how ridiculous it all was. She reeled off all the letters and told us what each one was.
I was so delighted! I think over the next few days there might be a few rather interesting discussions! I already promised the American the Rohypnol link...
See, the word is spreading; people know, and are forming their own opinions, silently, stealthily. We will win - it can't be otherwise.
People are more awake than we might think -- even random strangers might very well be sharing our opinions. It's wonderful to find them.

Yes. The lobbying and change behind the scenes has been extraordinarily successful. But it hasn’t taken the public with it and is now falling apart for that reason.

Yeah I have a very non-political friend who works with someone NB. She decided in a very open minded way to educate herself and concluded it's batshit. I didn't bring it up, she did.

I was sitting in a restaurant recently. There was a party of about 10 women sitting together at the next door table. One of them started a conversation about how women's rights were being eroded and how she hated the worst of the TRA behaviour because of how violent and initimidating it was. They were all agreeing.

I was sitting there thinking 'solidarity.' I didn't want to freak her out by letting on I was listening in or else I'd have gone over to them and said 'I feel exactly the same.'

Everyone I have spoken to irl has come round to the realisation it's total BS. Sometimes it takes a few talks - there is a lot of social conditioning to unpick and the more "proressive" you are the harder it is to wake up. Funnily enough the more "educated" someone is the longer it takes.

Hence why the TRA's are so desperate for "no debate". Why they are so desperate to stop women speaking at events and getting us (including myself) banned from twitter.
They know they have no acceptable arguments that the public will accept. The current momentum groups like WPUK (and Mumsnet here) have terrifies them as they know that the public will not accept males in the female prison estate, the public know lesbians do not have penises etc etc.

Right now most of the public are unaware of this nonsense and the TRA want to keep them that way. Unfortunately for them the dams are breaking and people are starting to talk

My super-woke friend has moved from saying that in ten years this won't even be up for discussion and I'll look back in wonder at what an outdated bigot I was, to fretting that the far right are successfully detailing the advance of trans rights. No amount of discussing my political background or that of most prominent advocates for women's rights can get him to admit this is not just about the far right, but he's clearly sensing a real shift in the narrative and is freaking out about it.

@iismum
That is the worry though. The left (Labour, guardian, greens, Stonewall, so many others) have fallen so far down this rabbit hole that the swing to the right is inevitable.
It could be simple to fix.
The left have to acknowledge that there are issues here and report on them, listening to both sides.
Stonewall just need to come out and say "yes homosexual females exist, and it is perfectly acceptable for them to reject transwoman"
Simple steps that could help diffuse an increasingly toxic environment.

I think your right but, there is a massive age divide. If it had been three random people below mid twenties it might have been a different story.
I dont know how many young people actually really believe it all, it would be interesting to know the answer to that.
I know young people who dont buy any of it for a second but they would never speak out, not in the current climate anyway.

It is distressing that any young people do actually believe, I also know some who do, inteligent top university, and I mean the very top, young people, who actually believe this BS. What the hell happened to science education in this country?

I was out for a drink with a gay mate. This time last year he was a bit horrified by the "lesbian protests " at pride...... move forward a year and he's totally peaked. Literally sat there and ranted about it all. It was amazing. I just quietly nodded.

A couple of years ago a woke young friend gave me a long lecture about how trans youngsters are killing themselves in frightening numbers and as result of this conversation I started investigating, discovered from MN and elsewhere that it was BS, and peak transed.

I forwarded most of the statistical evidence I could find to the woke young friend and we didn't speak after that. Now I see from her social media that she's beginning to waver and is starting to ask whether intersectional feminism is really feminism. I live in hope.

Chiochan, my daughter, 29, her husband, 31, my son, 34, are all gender critical and daughter says her friends are too. SIL has a science PhD. However, his sister (33) is quite woke.

@KatvonHostileExtremist
Yep. It is slowly seeping through. Ignoring the shameful media attacks the GettheLOut protestors received and looking at what they were actually saying was key.
I peaktransed a friend when I asked her to do that. She had fallen for the idea the lesbians were being transphobic (why wouldn't you even Sadiq Kahn fell for the Stonewal/pinknews reports) she looked at what they were saying and quickly agreed with it.
This is why we need to get out and speak to people. I am now trolling comment pages on newspapers. The more people reading about the cotton the ceiling the better.

I dont know how many young people actually really believe it all, it would be interesting to know the answer to that.
Purely anecdotal but my son (20) says everyone he knows thinks it's horse shit.

@aspley - yes, I agree, this is a huge problem for the left, and so far no sign at all if any nuance being introduced. It's very depressing. Also, political debate in general is becoming so much less nuanced and 'evil by association' more prominent - i.e., the far right are bad people and therefore anything they say at all - even if was that they like cornflakes for breakfast - has to be vehemently and utterly rejected, and anyone who shares some views with them, even if they reject others, is a Bad Person.

I was on a Facebook thread a couple of days ago about the Edinburgh event and there was one women who was quite vocal - in the face of relentless wokeness - about getting the GC point of view. I wrote several comments supporting and extending her arguments and got likes from two other women. I then PMd her (I don't know her) say thanks for being so brave -and she said many women had done the same but said they felt unable to say anything or like any GC posts on Facebook. Which is kind of heartening and kind of depressing.

A male gay friend who has always been obviously woke so I hadn't raised this with him posted the 'women tell everyone to just fuck off' clip the other day with an out of the blue rant about the attack on women's reproductive rights and single sex spaces. We always said all this needed was daylight.

@Floisme
The dam is about to break (though I have thought that since the Bradley situation last year).
Speak out everyone :)
(Yes I know I am new here)

The vast majority of people aren’t happy about it at all, and women are getting braver at speaking out. I see comments on twitter that would only have had one or two GC responses are now always flooded with women standing up for our rights

I dont know how many young people actually really believe it all, it would be interesting to know the answer to that.

I have a niece (currently bogged down in A levels) whom I took on a university visit when she was 17 last summer. During the long drive, she began a conversation with me (was clearly sounding out her lesbian aunt) about the whole trans/woke/etc piece and went on to rant about it for about two hours on the drive home. She told me that all her friends think it's nonsense. I counselled her to be careful what she says, especially at university, unless she's sure what those she's talking to think.

I wonder whether the young woke females will begin to see it when their biology kicks in.

I would have absolutely swallowed this stuff had it been around 20 (cough) years ago. I thought feminism was irrelevant. We had equality.

It took the ageing process and having a child to demonstrate in mile high letters that, actually the men who seemed respectful were generally just interested in fucking me and could pretend to be polite for as long as I remained conventionally attractive. And no, my career was categorically not progressing at the rate that the less qualified more junior makes were. Because I lacked a penis.

I am most definitely genderfree and always have been (would have probably been a demiboi if they’d existed then) but hey, newsflash kids. You CANT identify out of this shit. It just follows you along with a healthy dose of lesbophobia and old fashioned prejudice.

Based on a few conversations with my son I would say the issue for many young people (and obviously I can only speak for his circle) is not that they believe it, or even that they're afraid to speak up, but that they just cannot take it seriously.

Sometimes it takes a few talks - there is a lot of social conditioning to unpick and the more "proressive" you are the harder it is to wake up.

The whole trans agenda is coming from postmodernism and queer theory. According to queer theory, it seems that everything that transgresses boundaries is 'progressive' and therefore good. Anyone who argues for the status quo is 'regressive' and therefore bad.

This is why feminists are accused of being regressive and siding with religious groups and right-wingers. It's because we think some boundaries actually have a purpose, and they're not just there to stop people being 'liberated'. Some of them are there to stop people from taking liberties.

This series of articles talks about queer theory, and how it has found its way into charities, institutions and government departments.

medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa

When I see the term ‘queer feminist’ or ‘queer feminism’ I suspect, maybe hope, that those using these descriptors have not done the reading. As the old proverb states ‘the road to hell is lined with good intentions’. I do not believe that all these young woke people, charities, institutions and arts festivals are supportive of rape and paedophilia, of ‘queering’ and transgressing boundaries feminists have worked tirelessly to establish.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3607564-Dr-Em-The-Trojan-Unicorn-Queer-Theory-and-Paedophilia

Brilliant that more people are realising and being brave enough to say that the emperor is actually starkers, but if our kids are getting the opposite message at school we have a whole woke generation coming up.

Had a chat with a 15 yr old boy recently who was very surprised (and a bit disbelieving) to learn that it was impossible for humans to change their biological sex. He was sure he’d learnt that we can and that all you need to do it is to take hormones and have surgery

We need to be engaging our youth in these conversations before they’re brainwashed by their peers and the biased social media platforms they learn from.

Whereas I recently lost a friend over it. I thought she would get it. It came up in a conversation one evening. She would not try to hear my perspective, shouted me down and ended with calling me a bigot.

Maybe she might wake up and see what is going on. But, until then, the friendship is 'on hold'.

What I've noticed is that most people I know won't go near the subject on social media - other than my 'woke' friends, of which a few.

In real life, however, more and more people are making little test-the-water digs at the subject, perhaps to gauge where I stand on it.

I am probably hyper aware of it now, and pick up on comments like 'it's almost like women are being erased, isn't it?'. I have a very odd sense that almost everybody is starting to see the madness of Self ID and the trans theory, but are too afraid to say anything. Dams breaking slowly, stone by stone ...

Maybe in the end this whole debacle will end up producing a stronger women's movement than ever. And VERY CLEAR biology lessons.

*Based on a few conversations with my son I would say the issue for many young people (and obviously I can only speak for his circle) is not that they believe it, or even that they're afraid to speak up, but that they just cannot take it seriously.

My experience, from working with students, is that the boys don't take it seriously, but the girls actually are afraid to speak up. I was emailed by some female students after outing myself as GC, and they all said that they and their friends are terrified of speaking out.