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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People ARE aware and thinking about the trans agenda. And they don't like it.

156 replies

Lamaha · 09/06/2019 12:09

I live a very quiet, rural life and rarely meet new people. My close family know I am GC and so do a few friends, but I would never open the subject with a stranger.

At present though I am at a gathering of about 16 people at a country house; I've never met any of them before. Yesterday I went for a walk with three of them: a man from Dublin, a woman from Santa Fe, USA, and a woman who lives at the Barbicon, London. A very disparate group; I had known them only a few days. All aged in their 50's or 60's.

We were having a nice normal chat when out of the blue, the American began talking about pronouns, and how you now had to say they and them for everyone, and how she hated it. The man immediately leaped in. He was very angry about this, because, in his work, he is required to use certain pronouns and he thinks it totally ridiculous. "If you don't," he said, "they will come after you like a pack of raging mad dogs. It's terrible!" He was utterly furious. The Barbicon woman jumped in to explain about the alphabet salad and how ridiculous it all was. She reeled off all the letters and told us what each one was.
I was so delighted! I think over the next few days there might be a few rather interesting discussions! I already promised the American the Rohypnol link...
See, the word is spreading; people know, and are forming their own opinions, silently, stealthily. We will win - it can't be otherwise.
People are more awake than we might think -- even random strangers might very well be sharing our opinions. It's wonderful to find them.

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Sexnotgender · 09/06/2019 15:46

Is it any wonder they are so keen to get this shit into primary schools? They clearly see that they need to get to children as early as possible to indoctrinate them. Too many people are waking up.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 09/06/2019 15:56

I'm still baffled at how the media is so under their spell.

But it's not just media. Political parties, government institutions, schools, the police, the BBC.
I'm feeling quite pessimistic tbh. I fear people have woken up too late, me included.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 09/06/2019 16:03

Thanks for the reminder truthisarevolutionaryact.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 09/06/2019 16:04

Agreed ThePurportedDoctoress
The extent of regulatory capture is extensive and I'm not certain that we are in time to place rights and safety at the centre of it. It doesn't stop us trying but as we have seen repeatedly in this country (Savile, Rotherham, rape culture, corruption etc etc) bad people get a long way aided and abetted by powerful men.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 09/06/2019 16:06

Yeah, just had a conversation with my teenage DD about what her lesbian friends thought of the whole some lesbians have a penis thing... they don’t agree at all but are too afraid to be honest. I only know a few people who believe in the TWAW and they’re not close friends.

Lamaha · 09/06/2019 16:07

BTW, are you in an Agatha Christie novel? I like the sound of a country house full of interesting strangers, preferably with no murder.
It's a professional retreat for creatives, and believe it or not, that's the first thing I thought of -- an AC type novel, in which one of us DOES get murdered (it would have to be an obnoxious one, of course!) and one of us is the perp and one of us solves the case! It's a fantastic premise (even if done a hundred times already) , and there's even a lake, and we actually joked about all the bodies that might lie at the bottom of it! Maybe somebody will write that story, and somehow tie it in with the TRA agenda...

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CantspellWontspell · 09/06/2019 16:17

My kids primary school run workshops for parents to chat about issues relating to parenting. On one regarding safeguarding, someone casually brought up something about trans and the whole discussion turned to the fact that everyone had misgivings but they felt like they couldn’t mention it. Even the workshop leaders admitted being uneasy with the training they had been given and how it relates to child safeguarding.

The relief at being able to openly discuss it was palpable.

CantspellWontspell · 09/06/2019 16:25

My two boys who are in secondary don’t believe in gender ideology.

I had a lengthy discussion with my 12 year old because he is fairly gender non-conforming himself and had found some of it disconcerting as he tried to internalize it. Once we’d finished he said “thank you, thank you mum that makes so much more sense!”. Kids aren’t stupid but they are vulnerable to coercion.

toomanyleavesonthattree · 09/06/2019 16:44

I must admit I have not had this experience. MY two very self identified lefty friends (one ex friend..), whose whole sense of self is tied up in being left wing, are very on board with the trans ideology but cannot, however, defend any of it in conversation. One, the ex friend, admitted I had made some very good points but refused to discuss it with me any further as I 'misgendered' male sex offenders (!) ( I am unapologetic about refusing to tell women victims of male sexual violence that actually it was a lesbian sex attack). The other just goes 'aah' in a 'I never thought about that' sort of way when I ask questions or raise points, but still maintains the woke view, because to let go of that would let go of her lefty self identity,

OrchidInTheSun · 09/06/2019 17:00

I'm really glad to read all of this but it's equally terrifying that people are whispering behind hands in case of getting turned on by the woke stasi.

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

Deliriumoftheendless · 09/06/2019 17:01

This came up a work as some of us knew a young (primary age) person who is transgender. I expected my colleagues to be very supportive of the trans narrative but they weren’t. Fully supportive of the young person but also very clear that the young person was the sex they were born and parental influence was at play.

I would say the general public are broadly sympathetic towards people who are unhappy with their bodies, as they should be, but they don’t buy what the activists claim.

When they say wrong side of history they are wildly misinterpreting (or misrepresenting) what the general public believe.

Stillneedwillpower · 09/06/2019 17:12

My 15yo thinks it's nonsense. Her friends taking ? subject are learning about 'changing sex, being born in the wrong body', etc.

They've mentioned it to her and she tells them how ridiculous it all is, etc.

The problem is some of them are vunerable (asd) and without her refuting it with sound arguments, would just believe what a teacher tells them.

Then again, she's had many interesting conversations with school nurse, teachers, etc, because I cross out gender on all consent forms, and explain why I've done so. Leads to some interesting conversations for her, and she's happy to put her point across as she agrees with me.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 09/06/2019 17:19

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

I'm on a Facebook "funny stuff" group and they are well-woke, so there are immediate cries of "transphobia" on things I'd raise a feminist eyebrow at.

Yet they will simultaneously use the "did you just assume my gender" line in anything relevant without batting an eyelid as well.

They just don't see the disconnect, they simply want to be right-on/nice/whatever it is.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 09/06/2019 17:28

Sounds like a spot of particular fine parenting there, CantspellWontspell.

My DS are early twenties and tell me that "Did you just assume mah GENDAH?" in a very affected voice is a bit of a running joke in both their friendship groups.

FermatsTheorem · 09/06/2019 17:30

I've had some odd little conversations in the most random of places - people in shops, that sort of thing (always initiated by the other person) along the lines of "this is weird, this can't be right, I'm live and let live, but men shouldn't be in women's prisons/sports etc".

I've made sure my DS knows the biological reality - that you can have surgery (and it's really major surgery and involves cutting your balls off and turning your penis inside out) to make your body look a bit like that of the opposite sex, and that's fine when undertaken by an adult if it's the only way to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin, but you can't actually change sex.

Hortz · 09/06/2019 17:41

Lurker here.
I do think the age thing is relevant. I recently raised the topic with DH (aged 69). I fully expected him to think it was all tosh but when I went into detail about the impact on lesbians and the role of Mermaids he was hugely interested and onboard.
I haven't summoned the courage to have the conversation with my two DSs. DS2 is 21 and has some interesting political views, but I have no idea how he would view this.
DS1(23) is a teacher, newly qualified, hugely enthusiastic about his job and very cynical about anything that isn't strictly scientific. I'd love to know how trans issues are tackled in his school but I'm very wary of saying the wrong thing.

MuthaFunka61 · 09/06/2019 17:57

I hired a taxi a couple of weeks ago and heard quite a rant after I confirmed that I'd heard "about this trans thing".

It was wonderful.

FannyCann · 09/06/2019 17:59

Is it any wonder they are so keen to get this shit into primary schools? They clearly see that they need to get to children as early as possible to indoctrinate them. Too many people are waking up.

This is the frightening thing. Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats. It's so depressing how many schools are lapping it up rather than firmly closing the door.

OldCrone · 09/06/2019 18:12

Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats.

Children are being taught in school that they can change sex. And this at an age when they are too young to understand that this isn't possible, or to understand how sexual reproduction works.

RubberTreePlant · 09/06/2019 18:18

Maybe somebody will write that story, and somehow tie it in with the TRA agenda...

Now you've set me off! Grin

3dogs2cats · 09/06/2019 18:26

Hearing this is so helpful for me. My dd30 taxes m for being on transphobic Mumsnet. And encourages our neice15 who lives with us in all her non binary nonsense. Please God let her start to have doubts. The situation n our house is so delicate that I darent have any conversations at all.
Oh but it will spill out. Yesterday. I was talking about dogs to someone .They told me that dachshunds get less back problems if they are not neutered until 2 years, as they need the sex hormones to strengthen their bones. I went into such a rant that we don’t offer children the same protection. She must have thought I was mad. Maybe I am. Driven mad by this bollocks.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/06/2019 18:34

On a whim, I just asked Google assistant what a woman is and she said adult human female Grin And a female is of the sex that bears young....

Sexnotgender · 09/06/2019 18:47

This is the frightening thing. Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats.

I assume that’s the plan. Get them when they’re too young to understand it’s bullshit. They started in secondary and have realised it’s too late so going after the primary kids now.

FloralBunting · 09/06/2019 18:59

My teen daughter told me a female friend texted her saying "Just to let you know, my name is now Bob and I'll be using he/him pronouns now."

My daughter said to me "Fuck that. What a pretentious cow." She has no time at all for it, and even went into a little rant about how Bob wouldn't be using 'he/him' pronouns any more than usual, because if Bob talked about themselves in the third person everyone would point out what a twat Bob was.

I take full credit for this and I am very proud.

moonrises · 09/06/2019 18:59

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

My 13yr old does the same with her friends and then they all start laughing.