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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People ARE aware and thinking about the trans agenda. And they don't like it.

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Lamaha · 09/06/2019 12:09

I live a very quiet, rural life and rarely meet new people. My close family know I am GC and so do a few friends, but I would never open the subject with a stranger.

At present though I am at a gathering of about 16 people at a country house; I've never met any of them before. Yesterday I went for a walk with three of them: a man from Dublin, a woman from Santa Fe, USA, and a woman who lives at the Barbicon, London. A very disparate group; I had known them only a few days. All aged in their 50's or 60's.

We were having a nice normal chat when out of the blue, the American began talking about pronouns, and how you now had to say they and them for everyone, and how she hated it. The man immediately leaped in. He was very angry about this, because, in his work, he is required to use certain pronouns and he thinks it totally ridiculous. "If you don't," he said, "they will come after you like a pack of raging mad dogs. It's terrible!" He was utterly furious. The Barbicon woman jumped in to explain about the alphabet salad and how ridiculous it all was. She reeled off all the letters and told us what each one was.
I was so delighted! I think over the next few days there might be a few rather interesting discussions! I already promised the American the Rohypnol link...
See, the word is spreading; people know, and are forming their own opinions, silently, stealthily. We will win - it can't be otherwise.
People are more awake than we might think -- even random strangers might very well be sharing our opinions. It's wonderful to find them.

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Lamaha · 10/06/2019 16:51

The pronouns issue reminds me of the quote about religion, "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything". I'm an atheist, but I know what GK Chesterton was getting at - when you stop being anchored to an existing belief system, you lose all reference points.

True. I used to be very active, over many years, decades even, on a professional forum with thousands of members. There was a political section; most of the members here were atheist, very science-based, very educated. very passionate, very leftist, very woke. They all went into meltdown when Trump won the election.
It's on this forum that I first heard the defense of transideology. It's from one of the most outspoken of these members that I first heard the term "cisgender", and was informed that I was "cis". I became quieter over time as I could not agree with anything that was said. It's form them I heard that there are X-number of genders and it's a biological fact.
Only recently, one of the most outspoken members began throwing scorn on people who believe in "hoo" flat earth, ear waxing, homeopathy, etc. I dearly wanted to ask her, "can men become women and vice versa"? I held my tongue. I have not outed myself there, as they who were once my friends -- would be like rabid dogs. I do pop in now and again to see what's going on.
I did notice that two young men who were very active members years ago -- are now "women", and still very active.
As I said, they are all outspoken atheists.
Not saying that being an atheist makes one susceptible to this nonsense, but at least there's a framework that keeps one grounded.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 10/06/2019 17:11

I see the Pope doesn’t like it one bit.

AnotherLass · 10/06/2019 21:18

I've had the opposite experience re atheism. The militant TRAs I know are all either religious or people who were profoundly religious (to fundamentalist levels) then lost their faith and then got into trans activism shortly afterwards. I long thought that it was a substitute religion.

I think that gender id is basically a religious belief (the belief in gendered souls) and it has occurred to me that this is why it hasn't gone down so well in the UK as it did in the US. But glad to see that the Pope isn't going for it.

GodDammitAmy · 11/06/2019 00:05

Has this got into the light now the Catholic church has commented on it?

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/06/2019 00:10

I think the religious aspect of it is fascinating. I see loads of articles from transexuals (the dysphoric transitioning kind), detransitioners, desisters, former allies etc talking about the internal rituals involved. I keep meaning to do a post pulling it all together, but off the top of my head is "the pronoun circle", the acquisition of a new name as a kind of baptism (see also "dead naming" as a symbolic death/rebirth act), I've read about something called "the long table" or "the healing circle" which was used to cast out allies who transgressed, the "transcendant brain" theories and the dualist "born in the wrong body/ gendered soul" theories. It's very akin to religion. Which makes it even more fascinating that the stricter/ more prescriptive established religions (Islam, Catholicism, JWs etc) have all spotted it dead quick for what it is, whilst atheists, humanists, quakers etc, have all got a really weird blind spot. As horrendous and scary as this all is from an "actually living the nightmare" POV, it's actually really fascinating from a detached academic POV. I think it'll be recognised as a belief system one day personally. That's the only way I can see this all resolving.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 11/06/2019 07:19

Has this got into the light now the Catholic church has commented on it?

It may be in the news but I think the effect will not be as significant as hoped, given the Catholic Church is not exactly known for making statements that tally up with real world lives. IN other words, I think most people won't even register it.

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