Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

[HandsOffMyRights]

Words fail me today

Yes, that's the problem, NSPCC. Your employee is being 'bullied'.

twitter.com/NSPCC/status/1138860884737044480?s=19

This is absolutely disgusting. The person involved is a former colleague and a friend and the way he is being treated on this platform is awful.

We absolutely won’t tolerate bullying of any kind against our people. Supporting staff is a priority, and we're offering various support to staff including counselling . We’re also reporting these to Twitter and recommend you do too.

I’ve reported in excess for thirty tweets today. I’m very glad to see you standing behind a talented colleague. Thanks for messaging.

This is NOT ok. It is NOT phobic to call out grossly indecent and frankly creepy public sex acts being carried out in a place of work.

This man in getting his rocks off by bringing his employer and his place of work into wank fodder vids online.

If this is now all fine and dandy then I want to hear NSPCC board of trustees and executive directors publicly announce they are 100% behind paraphilia in the workplace at a children’s charity. For all employees.

Come on NSPCC, let’s hear it!

I think the servers at Mumsnet are under attack ... the paraphiles don't like us talking about their sexual behaviours.

So, as I understand the current state of play:

An employee of NSPCC who has a rubber "kink" wore his rubber to work and filmed himself - in the toilets of a child protection charity - pissing and wanking, then posted it online. He then entered into a promotion arrangement with an internet celebrity who, on more than one occasion, offered to initiate private contact with minors behind their parents' backs.

Do I have this right?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the only child protection charity with statutory powers in the UK?

I look back fondly to the days of yore, when the worst you could say about the NSPCC was that it ran away from a webchat with mums because they had some awkward questions.

They always manage to change the narrative to suit their needs. MB got binned because of transphobes. The talent guy is suffering homophobic bullying. There's such dishonesty.

I don't give a shit what people get up to in their private life. I don't think it's wise to have someone into serious kinks employed by a children's charity but normally no one would know, would they? The fact he's not been at all cautious is what's concerning. I can't see him keeping his job. This whole affair is a total shit show.

Better still why not put it in their equality guidance to prove they are all for lgbtq...

... If not, why not...?

I don't like the way the NSPCC is tweeting about how they have no tolerance for bullying a member of their staff.

1. It immediately writes off genuine safeguarding concerns as "bullying" the person who is demonstrating the unsafe behaviour.

2. This then makes it harder for anyone else to come out and raise concerns against an individual in the organisation for fear that they'll be immediately labelled as bullying.

3. Notice that their immediate response is to call for the evidence to be deleted ("we're reporting to Twitter and encourage others to do so"). Encouraging others to report the pics online so that the person can deny that it ever happened.

4. The NSPCC thus is demonstrating exactly why it is so difficult to raise concerns about concerning behaviour. Institutions will immediately close ranks to defend the person who is demonstrating the unsafe behaviour. That's what we are seeing today. Demonising the messenger and protecting the offender.

5. Just shut up and deal with it in private. The NSPCC should not be playing this out on social media.

I cannot fathom why NSPCC and OJ are WILFULLY ignoring what the issue actually is - an employee wanking and pissing on camera in work toilets. It's just another layer of inappropriate that the workplace in question is a children safeguarding!

Why can't they address this and say yes, this contravenes our behaviour policies and the individual in question has been fired for gross misconduct accordingly. That's not transphobia or homophobia, it's EQUAL treatment - it's what would happen to ANYONE ELSE!!

At ANY other workplace this would be a sackable offence. Equality means equality not ridiculously special treatment that undermines the cause you claim to support.

Does this info need to go into AIBU or is it widely known already? I'm behind on news etc

I know there are disciplinary procedures but the NSPCC surely ought to be saying something about investigations and suspensions - are they?

Popchyk aren't they now breaking good whistle blowing practice in addition to screwing up on safeguarding?

Wouldn’t he smell? I mean, all that activity. Was it on a designated work break? I hope it wasn’t in the Ladies - that would be a step too far.

Those poor office cleaners.

I'm sure they won't comment because disciplinary proceedings will be confidential.

I look back fondly to the days of yore, when the worst you could say about the NSPCC was that it ran away from a webchat with mums because they had some awkward questions.

Maybe NSPCC should recruit Mumsnet users to do its due diligence for it?

The NSPCC are utterly compromised - they need an urgent government review. Their handling of all these 2 issues is beyond suspect

Maybe it's time that the NSPCC were reported to the Charity Commission? Given their recent worrying change to the definition of sexual abuse of children and these appalling events, perhaps there should be an investigation into who is influencing changes of policy alongside investigating to what extent they are practising safer recruitment? As well as establishing that all their staff are fully informed and compliant with the best safeguarding practice.

So, as I understand the current state of play:

Don't forget that Owen Jones in The Guardian is calling for 'rage, courage and determination' (to prevent Safeguarding?)

(extract)
"Anti-trans activists claim they want trans people to have happy lives, but as their recent successful campaign to force the NSPCC to drop the trans model and activist Munroe Bergdorf as its first LGBTQ campaigner underlines, they want to drive trans people out of public life. This led to 148 members of the NSPCC’s staff signed a letter condemning the decision, which has now prompted an apology from the chief executive, Peter Wanless, but not a reversal of the decision.

What depths are plumbed when anti-trans campaigners denounce the “trans Taliban” in front of cheering crowds? There are self-described liberals who pit trans activists and feminists against each other, when the truth is that most trans activists are feminists and most feminists support trans rights, whatever a vocal minority claim.

And don’t believe you can demarcate transphobia from rising homophobia. The anti-trans activists who hounded Bergdorf are now demanding the sacking of a senior, gay NSPCC employee because they found pictures of him in fetish gear online, suggesting therefore he is not safe around children. This is the crude, unapologetic homophobia of 1980s Britain. The scaremongering over trans people has even led cis-gender lesbians – such as Stonewall chief executive Ruth Hunt – to be challenged over using women’s toilets. A minority of self-described feminists – who seem to talk of nothing other than the great trans menace – have no scruples about working with the anti-gay lobby. Earlier this year, three activists belonging to the Women’s Liberation Front – a US organisation – sat on a platform hosted by the Heritage Foundation, a rightwing thinktank that opposes LGBTQ rights. Anti-trans activists claiming to be feminists work closely with the hard right Tory MP David Davies, who has consistently voted against both equal gay rights and abortion rights.

Join the dots, look at the direction of travel: progress in LGBTQ rights has not simply ground to a halt, it is screeching into reverse. This is Pride month, but let us not have commercialised parades, pinkwashing dubious corporations, celebrating “progress”. Let’s have rage, courage and determination – because LGBTQ rights are under threat, and history shows that the only remedy is to fight back." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/lgbtq-rights-danger-pride-fight-back-homophobic-attacks

Let’s also look at the way the NSPCC describes child sexual abuse.

The NSPCC Speak Out, Stay Safe programme has the definition of sexual abuse as: ‘when a child is being made, asked, or rewarded for doing anything with their body that frightens or worries them – or being made to do this to somebody else’

So the definition of sexual abuse according to NSPCC relies on a child's feelings in response to the abuse. If they are not frightened it’s not abuse. If they like it, or they don’t respond anxiously it’s cannot be abusive according to their own definition.

Like the little boy that MB defended as being absolutely fine twerking in an a bar for adult entertainment and being photographed with a naked male in a fetish pose.

There is something insidious here.

Maybe it's time that the NSPCC were reported to the Charity Commission?

Oh hell yes. Absolutely they should be.

Wouldn’t he smell? I mean, all that activity. Was it on a designated work break? I hope it wasn’t in the Ladies - that would be a step too far.

Who knows whether NSPCC have single sex toilet provision for staff.

Maybe they're trans inclusive?
Maybe they're mixed sex?

I am getting the popcorn ready in case The Farms get a load of this guy.

What the actual fuck is going on here? This is just unbelievable? And then fucking Owen Jones ranting in the Guardian about homophobia and transphobia?

Argh, just fuck off!

Owen Jones is a disingenuous bully who is piggybacking current events without due diligence and critical thinking.

NOBODY is saying they think it would be right to fire a member of staff when it comes to sexual preferences between consenting adults of any gender.

ALMOST EVERYONE would think it right to fire a member of staff for filming themselves wanking and pissing in their workplace toilets and uploading it online. Regardless of fetishwear, sexuality etc.

Defend what needs defending, rather than causing MORE harm to the LGBT+ cause which is what you do when you call it transphobia or homophobia to fire someone filming and uploading themselves pissing and wanking at work.

You make life so much harder for the LGBT+ community by defending what most LBTQ+ people don't want you to defend and by assuming some divine right to speak for them as a community on complex issues.

If OJ cannot, in the next day or so, concede that yes, the filming and uploading of pissing and wanking in a workplace toilet was gross misconduct, he's a joke.

And then fucking Owen Jones ranting in the Guardian about homophobia and transphobia?

So, just to be clear:

Transphobia = understanding scientific fact around sex

Homophobia = objecting to an employee of a children's charity wanking in their rubber underwear at work and publicly posting a video of the act.

Is that roughly correct?

And having scrolled back the similar.message I tried to post has now posted. Apologies for the repetition.