Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

[HandsOffMyRights]

Words fail me today

We recognise that we have not provided our staff with the appropriate processes to assist them in taking decisions on opening new relationships with people who can help us to reach young people. I want to be clear that no blame for this matter lies with the teams who have been working with Munroe. We understand fully that our staff have worked with the best possible motivations for providing support to children.

I think this is not great from the NSPCC. They’re saying NO FAULT lies with staff on this, because their processes are weak.

So they employ staff who have no basic overview of safeguarding or due diligence. In key media positions.

Not good.

Oh FFS kink shaming. Kink shaming?!

I fucking love a blowie and dressing up and role play with my OH.

Would I make this public information and pretend it wouldn't damage perception of me as a professional?

Of COURSE I fucking wouldn't.

It's inappropriate and unnecessary to share details of sexual kinks on an entirely unrelated public platform.

FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU COULD NOT WRITE THIS SHIT.

I would be at best chastised and at worst fired for the same behaviour. I'm a bisexual woman and would not shout homophobia at either of these reactions - I would accept I had behaved inappropriate and unprofessionally.

"Because transphobia" is not an adequate defence of bullying, inappropriate and unprofessional behaviour. Allowing special treatment and limited consequences for trans people who act inappropriately in the workplace, we fetishise and "other" them, saying it's ok for their preference of sexual acts to be in an open and inappropriate forum because they're trans. It undermines the entire argument that the aim should be EQUALITY. That works both ways.

If equality is to be equal consequences should be equal too. Otherwise the entire concept of equality is undermined.

This is the chap from Novara Media ( see also Ash Sarkar & Shon Fae) calling for details or the board's resignation.

'vanilla language'

mobile.twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1138830463731228672

Channel 4's GenderQuake debate last year featured Ash Sarkar & Munroe Bergdorf.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241989-Genderquake

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243464-Channel-4s-Genderquake-Debate-is-heavily-criticised-boycotted-by-prominent-transgender-activists-allies

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3251869-Shon-Faye-Ash-Shankar-review-of-Gender-quake

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

I really wish they would just come out and explain IN SMALL WORDS why this wasn’t a great idea. Don’t spare anyone’s blushes- it’s gone beyond that.

But, I think they do deserve a lot of credit for refusing to fold on this.

Christ on a bike! No they don't! They're the country's leading child protection charity and the only one with statutory power. FFS!

They shouldn't be apologising to MB. They shouldn't be glossing over the actual problem.

This makes them the fucking problem.

twitter.com/BenInLDN/status/1138797827654656001

BBC's LGBT correspondent and puff interviewer of MB:

BREAKING NEWS: NSPCC’s CEO has apologised to @MunroeBergdorf and issued a letter to all NSPCC staff.

I just fucking despair.

In all of this it's not been about the children that are supposed to be protected.

Not once have those shouting about this on behalf of MB have mentioned children. They don't care what happens to them. They are more concerned about hurty feelings and I find that so sad. That they are so blinded by virtue signalling that they can't see the damage being caused to the most vulnerable in society, children.

Vanilla Language?

Norovirus Media know how to manipulate communication and language and get the message they really mean across.

Like that time that Ash told us all what Communism is. Which was all very neo-liberalism dressed in word salad.

This is the chap from Novara Media ( see also Ash Sarkar & Shon Fae) calling for details or the board's resignation

Is Aaron Bastani thick or something?

Listen up, Aaron, you twit: the reason they don't explicitly state the safeguarding and equalities breaches by MB is to do MB a favour, FFS. Because the statements they refer to were:

a) racist
b) homophobic
c) invited private contact with minors

They're trying to help MB by not saying that, you terminal plonker.

I actually like Munroe. I think she's been treated awfully by the NSPCC and can see why she is getting so much support. But the fact remains, for all of the aforementioned reasons, that she just is not suitable for this position.

Everything mentioned about her previous homophobia and safeguarding faux Pas is readily available to anyone with Google. So, either the NSPCC knew all this and were fine with it, in which case they should have supported Munroe and defended their decision to work with her and accepted the consequences of that.

Or, they should have foreseen the issues and never appointed her in the first place and accepted the consequences of that, maybe by pointing out the reasons for their decision.

Munroe's influence and profile might now be better suited to teaching kids the dangers of publishing whatever thoughts come into your head because they may come back to bite you and cost you career opportunities.

I think she is robust enough to come through this, but I wish she had some kind, wise friends to give her some good advice.....

I actually like Munroe genuine question - why?

Personally I don’t think I’d want to hang out with them, and the constant pushing to be the ‘face of’ this and ‘spokesperson for’ that - as a woman.

LangCleg Never mind the highly sexualised photographs of MB's surgical adjustments which, when NSPCC aims to protect girls, is also highly inappropriate imagery.

Not once have those shouting about this on behalf of MB have mentioned children.

Right! This is a charity for the protection of children with a legal mandate to do so, and governed by a Royal Charter - not a bloody Pride parade.

NSPCC & Childline are not some celeb bandwagon for people to jump onto, and they should not be trying to engage celebs for woke points. This was an utter safeguarding failure on their part.

Aaron Bastani can rant on twitter as much as he likes - the reasons Bergdorf is completely unsuitable are many, and have been listed throughout this thread and twitter. He just wants to ignore this, and shout about how women concerned with children's safety are bigots and transphobes.

Is Aaron Bastani thick or something?

No its his MO.

Say something utterly outrageous, generate clicks. Spout extreme neo-liberal capitalism shit whilst proclaiming its socialism. Whilst trying to push the boundaries of language and the overton window to the extreme woke left.

Pure propaganda.

Win/win.

If it doesn't work, Norovirus still make money and he gets paid.

Mr 1984 will end up there eventually.

This:

It isn't the same no however it illustrates the serious issues which happen when then there is such a disconnect within charities between those who 'build the brand', manage the publicity & social media accounts, write policies, network etc and the actual frontline work which is with and for children or vulnerable adults

And this:

And now we face a concerted effort to brand all dissent as 'transphobic'. Because safeguarding isn't 'sexy'. It's defensive, inquisitive, sceptical, asks difficult questions, holds people to account and is prepared to consider the unthinkable. There are no rainbows, unicorns or glitter.

Sum it up for me.

This is a charity for the protection of children with a legal mandate to do so, and governed by a Royal Charter - not a bloody Pride parade.

Peak Pride Parade is on the horizon.
Not for homophobia. But for the rampant commericalisation.
At the expense of various LGBT groups, particularly when inappriopriate figure heads are picked out of wokeness not expertise.

I really hope the Times covers this, and actually gives the specific details of the actions that make Munroe unsuitable.

OK - this is interesting - I think?

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/leading-crime-expert-urges-msps-to-ensure-sex-and-gender-are-not-conflated-in-census-1-4945852

(Re the Scottish Census questions debates going on today)

Tucked away in there:

One of Scotland's leading statisticians and criminologists has written to MSPs supporting the retention of a binary biological sex question in the next population census [] Professor Susan McVie, chair of quantitative criminology at Edinburgh University's School of Law and a member of the Scottish Government's Board of Official Statistics in Scotland, has made an eleventh hour submission to the Holyrood committee dealing with the Census Bill, asking that the sex question be rooted in biological and legal sex … Professor McVie, who is also a strategic advisor to Police Scotland and sits on the board of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, said it was vital that sex and gender not be conflated.

At least we have a mole!

THIS WOMAN SITS ON THE BOARD OF THE NSPCC:

"Sex refers to clear biological and physical characteristics and is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 … Sex is a fixed characteristic, while gender-identity is more fluid and changeable … ensure people get access to the services that best meet their needs whether they are male or female. "These are likely to continue to exist even when someone changes their gender- identity … MSPs must give careful consideration to making a clear statement to public bodies in relation to recording sex and gender separately. It will have a particular impact on the accuracy of official measures of crimes that are sex-related (such as Group 2 Sexual Crimes) and on those for which there are very low levels of recorded offending amongst women … I hope that the Scottish Parliament advocates a sensible and evidence-based approach to both the design of the Scottish Census and to the collection of important socio-demographic information by public bodies … The conflation of sex and gender identity goes against existing inequalities legislation and risks the construction of inaccurate and corrupted data that are not fit for the purposes for which the Census and other official data sources are required."

Re the Scottish Census questions debates going on today

It is an important intervention but I take issue with use of the term "legal sex", since the issue of a GRC permits a change to "legal sex", despite acknowledging that the GRC is a Legal Fiction.

The term should be Sex; and the controlled responses should be Female or Male.

Munroe’s influence and profile might now be better suited to teaching kids the dangers of publishing whatever thoughts come into your head because they may come back to bite you and cost you career opportunities.

Agree with this, rabbitwoman. Would require self-reflection, tho...

I find the apology a bit depressing to be honest and is spineless despite being in a bind. It seems pretty much any charitable or official organisation has to bow down to such intimidation and the only parties who do resist tend to be Trump, more right wing parties which then just reinforces the view that any gender critical narrative or not just swallowing the cool aid equals bad / nazi / wrong side of history.

They must have been under tremendous pressure once their own employees maid a fuss but wish in their statement they had have been forthright in their reasons for getting rid. They do mention safe guarding but should have been far more explicit and also mentioned Monroes homophobic / racist history as they’re now seem to be almost saying they shouldn’t have took the action they rightfully did

You would think that a charity would know to check out anyone associated with them and make sure that all of their staff know safeguarding rules inside out.