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Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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HandsOffMyRights · 06/06/2019 08:25

Words fail me today

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 09:04

It would be a pity if this very important thread disappeared because it became about somebody’s personal life

That they made public.

BeUpStanding · 12/06/2019 09:12

Chattylion It's endemic. Am trying not to feel hopeless today.

Also don't know if the long-running thread cataloging safeguarding failures has been linked, but it never hurts to cross reference:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo?pg=1&order=

R0wantrees · 12/06/2019 09:19

It’s unilkely the celeb liaison works with children or young people, so it’s not quite the same.

It isn't the same no however it illustrates the serious issues which happen when then there is such a disconnect within charities between those who 'build the brand', manage the publicity & social media accounts, write policies, network etc and the actual frontline work which is with and for children or vulnerable adults.

Those who are frontline experienced and who are grounded in Safeguarding, professional knoweldge & experience should be by far where power & influence is sited so that this trickles down throughout the organisation.

The danger (which we see across much of the voluntary sector) is that those with networking, PR, lobbying, fundraising skills are driving.
They don't understand Safeguarding or Child Protection.
They will be keen to work with successful lobbyists.

Their values & motivations (power, publicity, cash) are at odds with the reasons the charities were started.
The disconnect fuels & is indicative of systemic Safeguarding failures.

Children & vulnerable adults are being failed.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/06/2019 09:22

Chattylion It's endemic. Am trying not to feel hopeless today.

See also: www.feministcurrent.com/2019/06/11/whats-current-founder-of-street-kids-international-found-guilty-of-child-sexual-assault-in-nepal/

I begin to think this isn't a few isolated cases but the deliberate capture of organisations working with children.

hipsterfun · 12/06/2019 09:23

Those who are frontline experienced and who are grounded in Safeguarding, professional knoweldge & experience should be by far where power & influence is sited so that this trickles down throughout the organisation.

I couldn’t agree more.

endofthelinefinally · 12/06/2019 09:34

I met someone in my post natal group 30 years ago who told me exactly why she would never donate to Oxfam. She knew someone who had worked for them. So this stuff was known about back then.

TimeLady · 12/06/2019 09:35

Makings now appears to have protected his blog on the LinkedIn link.

Funny that.

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
truthisarevolutionaryact · 12/06/2019 09:57

This is where Stonewall's toxic 'acceptance without exception' gets us.
This is where stupid ideas like 'kink shaming' gets us
This is where continually trying to shift the Overton Window gets us -
to a place where those working for a leading children's charity have no understanding of safeguarding boundaries.

And now we face a concerted effort to brand all dissent as 'transphobic'. Because safeguarding isn't 'sexy'. It's defensive, inquisitive, sceptical, asks difficult questions, holds people to account and is prepared to consider the unthinkable. There are no rainbows, unicorns or glitter. Victims are young, silenced, fearful and ashamed - and easily outsmarted by adults narcissistically claiming the centre stage and the victimhood. All of which is enabled by a media only interested in the celebrity angle, charities looking for the corporate ££ and politicians so desperate to take the Stonewall shilling that they suspend all critical faculties and celebrate the unthinkable.

Children lose every bloody time.

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 10:05

Makings now appears to have protected his blog on the LinkedIn link

So someone at NSPCC is paying attention to this thread?

Good.

R0wantrees · 12/06/2019 10:09

From the Oxfam report yesterday, this focus is key:

"However the report found that Oxfam “tolerated poor behaviour”.

The Charity Commission, which has been investigating Oxfam since last year, concluded that the charity’s approach to the allegations was marked “by a desire to protect its reputation and donor relationships”.

Does a charity /organisation supporting children & vulnerable adults "tolerate poor behaviour?

Is a charity /organisation supporting children & vulnerable adults marked by a desire to protect its reputation & donor relationships?

How does a charity /organisation supporting children & vulnerable adults treat whistleblowers & complaints?

These are the measures.
Other charities & organisations will be held to these.

Mermaids
NUS
Action For Trans Health
Proud Trust
Stonewall
Tavistock GIDS etc

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 10:16

I begin to think this isn't a few isolated cases but the deliberate capture of organisations working with children.

Am I reading this right?

Why would you have on your LINKEDIN profile a link to a blog which detailed your private life in that manner?

DH gets a lot of traffic through his LinkedIn Profile from recruiters looking for his skill set and has been headhunted a number of times. They go through all his information to see whether he is suitable for a job.

Given that there is a fair amount of awareness which is increasing, that you should be careful about your social media useage and how it might damage your career, it seems a tremendous oversight to have such content linked directly from your linkedin account.

Your linkedin account is your outward facing professional CV.

You can draw three conclusions:

  1. This guy has remarkable lack of professional judgment which raises some very alarming questions.
  2. The NSPCC's recruitment process is utterly appaulling and they haven't done what are now basic background checks and/or
  3. Yeah, lets not go there about why you'd advertise such info on your linkedin account deliberately.

If this was indeed from linked from a linkedin profile, I don't think you can get away from all of them. At least one, properly two, must be close to the mark. I must be reading this wrong. Mustn't I?

Indeed I mentioned this to DH this morning and he said I must have it wrong, and it couldn't be linkedin, as that was just too ridiculous as an idea that anyone would be that careless. I do hope that this is the case and this is all just made up shit and not a story that shoul merit a spread in a Daily Newspaper and a full investigation.

I do hope the journalists out there are paying attention.

nauticant · 12/06/2019 10:19

Makings' niche interests were being referred to on twitter. For example:

twitter.com/charlesworth102/status/1138486908307288066

I assume being talked about on twitter would have got his attention.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 10:20

Can you image the teacher, the social worker, the doctor, the scout leader with this all over their linkedin profile?

They'd run the risk of being lynched by parents if they found out!

nauticant · 12/06/2019 10:26

Wrong tweet, I meant this one:

twitter.com/SamCSheff/status/1138643917128290305

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 10:26

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OldCrone · 12/06/2019 10:29

The NSPCC's recruitment process is utterly appaulling and they haven't done what are now basic background checks

Either they didn't do any checks, or they did, and they thought he was suitable. The NSPCC doesn't look good either way.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 10:33

Either they didn't do any checks, or they did, and they thought he was suitable. The NSPCC doesn't look good either way.

Indeed.

The NSPCC has a problem. The only question is what exactly that problem is...

ZebrasAreBras · 12/06/2019 10:39

Wow, they are quick off the mark - the Youtube video has gone. They really do monitor us all the time.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 10:43

If it was 'just fine' to have those interests in that position, why the sudden clean up?

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 10:44

They really do monitor us all the time.

Yes they do.

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 10:46

The rubber video is gone?

Because I just followed a link from James’ Facebook to the original Munroe Bergdorf video and there was nothing there:

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
Birdsfoottrefoil · 12/06/2019 10:46

The abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was/is huge and more lessons should have been learnt for other charities/organisations. There is nothing that makes the Catholic Church uniquely vulnerable to this.

TimeLady · 12/06/2019 10:47

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hipsterfun · 12/06/2019 10:51

It would be strategic to keep this thread on topic.

endofthelinefinally · 12/06/2019 10:53

The focus should always be on the groups and individuals who play the long game to inveigle their way into organisations.
The strategy is always the same, whether the organisation is a charity, education, religious institution, care facility or cult.
Organisations should learn from each other, as should government departments.