Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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Words fail me today

The Munroe Bergdorf video is no longer listed on the Childline channel.

It’s definitely the right channel, the previous trans video from a few years ago (with Fox Fisher) is still up, and the cover image matches the series.
Anyone notice when MB’s came down?

There is a hole where the video used to be on this Happiful article: happiful.com/thousands-of-children-seek-help-for-gender-and-sexuality-worries-nspcc-reveals/

The focus should always be on the groups and individuals who play the long game to inveigle their way into organisations.

Absolutely. They were talking on the BBC news yesterday about Oxfam being targetted for infiltration by paedophiles.

Unfortunately, "woke" culture seems to be irredeemably gullible when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I watched the interview with James last night.

Although he may disagree, what I heard described was how a 15 year old boy who had been bullied for his weight & sexuality was groomed by adult men on hard-core fetish online forums.

Dangerous behaviours were normalised before he had a sexual relationship.

He half recognises this & then describes 'finding his tribe'

The NSPCC, Childline & other children's charities work is to protect teenagers from online grooming & abuse by adults.

I feel like we need to build a societal structure for women and children so that we can live apart from adult males as the default. Then have the option to 'opt in' if we discover a man who isn't a violent and abusive arsehole. For as long as his behaviour continues to be acceptable.

Aren't there other mammalian groups that live this way? Bears, maybe?

It would be strategic to keep this thread on topic.

I thought this thread was about the NSPCC having poor judgment over how they recruit staff and representatives which bring the robustness of their safeguarding policy into question. This has merely being highlighted by a high profile individual who happens to be trans. Not because they ARE trans.

The thread isn't just about a singular celebrity.

Normal procedures and basic standards that the public might expect in certain sensitive areas do not appear to be being followed.

This is what public accountability should look like.

A series of questions which lead to further questions. For which answers are required.

Berdorf isn't the problem as such. Berdorf's appointment may well be a symptom of a wider problem. And we'd be wise to keep our eyes focused on the real issue, not the individual.

The point is that people running organisations should understand safeguarding. Know what to look out for and keep their eyes open.
It isn't an unreasonable expectation. It shouldn't be difficult. So one has to wonder whether there is a huge amount of wilful ignorance or collusion at very senior levels.
I know what I think.

This was the YouTube channel where the rubber man video used to be ‘The Fireside Chat’

From the YouTube video I found Mr Making’s internet user name ‘JRubberCub’

He has a second Instagram account under that name. Set to private, but the images are cached in a google search.

I thought this thread was about the NSPCC having poor judgment over how they recruit staff and representatives which bring the robustness of their safeguarding policy into question. This has merely being highlighted by a high profile individual who happens to be trans. Not because they ARE trans.

This ^^

Also important to remain aware that NSPCC is amongst many charities, organisations, political parties & public services which have had similar Safeguarding framework damage/collapse.

Events such as this & the David/Amy Challenor issue for Green Party demonstrate the lack of adequate Safeguarding frameworks.

Wherever there are loopholes they will be exploited.

When i met my exh he had this odd friend who worked in outreach for a leading homelessness charity for which he received at degree of kudos from the burgeoning woke community of which i was a part. Something never sat right with me although i had no clue about feminism at the time. He used to speak in an exceptionally derogatory manner about his 'clients' - especially the women who were called every misogynistic name under the sun. I used to argue with him a lot and it was seen as 'my problem'. I think a lot of men take these jobs because of the dual 'perks' of a) woke credentials and b) easy access to extremely vulnerable people. It's win/win as far as they're concerned. I think it's time for charities to wise up.

Dangerous behaviours were normalised before he had a sexual relationship

I watched some of it - I distinctly remember him saying he ‘knew he was kinky before he knew he was gay’. Seems like a red flag to me.

I’m only interested in Making because of the demonstration in systemic failures at the NSPCC - that’s the real issue here, he and Bergdorf are just symptoms of a problem.

It’s the context of the NSPCC and Childline that matters.

Rubber cubs should be free to be Rubber cubs, but their special interest shouldn’t be influencing the PR of a children’s charity. If you hang around hardcore BDSM stuff, them Munroe’s panty pics are unlikely to strike you as out of the norm.

Unfortunately, "woke" culture seems to be irredeemably gullible when it comes to this kind of stuff

Yes, this is where the various woke 'pitches' collide with unfortunate consequences. Redeem suffering and poverty, but at the same time validate pornography, prostitution and transgressive sexuality. A perfect storm.

Same with issues around Islam/phobia. Respecting rights of minority groups collides with women's & gay liberation and rights.

I think it's time for charities to wise up

Unfortunately the charities are sometimes themselves led and managed by these same people. See the current Oxfam crisis.
These men are determined and absolutely self righteous in pursuit of their aims.

Doesn’t help when subjective ‘identity’ is elevated and added to the mix.

• a huge amount of wilful ignorance or collusion at very senior levels. I know what I think*

Of course there is.....

Lisa Muggeridge on NSPCC (posted last year)

This is important viewing:

"Esther Rantzen. The television personality and founder of Childline and the Silver Line telephone support services, has spoken about the sexual abuse she suffered in childhood.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs about the scandal surrounding the paedophile Jimmy Savile’s crimes at the BBC, Rantzen said television executives needed to remain alert to prevent children from being targeted.

Paedophiles need access to children, so they will persuade the people who guard the threshold to let them through it So in the entertainment industry we have to be aware."

I think a lot of men take these jobs because of the dual 'perks' of a) woke credentials and b) easy access to extremely vulnerable people.

The assumption should always be that there will be predatory males. The basis of Safeguarding is to recognise that risk & to mitigate against it.

Lisa Muggeridge describes this really well:

'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

" Unfortunately, "woke" culture seems to be irredeemably gullible when it comes to this kind of stuff "

and self satisfied, I am sure there is an awareness of safeguarding but also a feeling that it is for other people not the self selected, self identified elite.

R0wantrees I'm glad you are posting Lisa's videos here. She has been in my mind a lot over the last week or so.

Justhadathought I agree with you entirely on this. I long ago abandoned the notion that leadership in organisations such as these were well meaning worthy individuals doing their best to guard against bad people getting in.

I’m of the opinion that many of these organisations, their culture and the breaking down of safeguarding systems are entirely led from the top. People who prey on the vulnerable, particularly children are in every walk of life. Some are clever, intelligent, well educated, highly motivated, hold professional positions and powerful roles and have global networks. Why wouldn’t they target a leading children’s charity and work on changing the systems?
Why bother trying to gatecrash when you can be the gatekeeper?

Peter Dalglish set up a charity Street Kids International. He's just been charged with raping two boys in Nepal

nationalpost.com/news/world/watching-a-wrongful-conviction-unfold-canadian-guilty-of-nepal-child-rape

R0wantrees I'm glad you are posting Lisa's videos here. She has been in my mind a lot over the last week or so

Lisa Muggeridge's structural analysis is really very important.
She understands not only systems but also Safeguarding.

Her youtube channel has some very relevent accessible explanations: www.youtube.com/channel/UC9c2nFwyCdfgBG8BhFys3-A

I admire her work & analysis
I think she should get better recognition & reward for it & I hope she's ok

I've not read the thread, for which I apologise, but for me this has nothing whatever to do with this person being trans. I coulnd't give less of a shit about that in this instance.

For me, this is purely and simply about a person who encourages children and young people to enter into private dialogues with them and to keep those dialogues secret from their responsible adults. It's about the levels of racism, homophobia and misogyny displayed by the person over a long period of time, and their complete lack of remorse about those comments.

This is absolutely NOT a trans issue, it's about the best known charity for children in the country proposing to use, as an ambassador for their name, a person who is wholly unsuitable for the role.

The porn aspect is also worrying, and had I been aware of the other ambassadors for that charity who had been involved in it, I would have spoken out about that as well.