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Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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HandsOffMyRights · 06/06/2019 08:25

Words fail me today

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NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:15

Basically for schools it's a pick n mix from the POV of who and what you follow content wise, NSPCC is very well respected and so most are including all
their resources in their pshe programmes.

As a safeguarding charity they should be on this.

If I want to whistle blow on how my organisation is dealing with safeguarding, it's the NSPCC I call!

R0wantrees · 10/06/2019 12:16

GNC Ben is brave.

Ben is also a very important whistle-blower to the abuse that happened to her and other vulnerable children, especially girls by adult males in LGBT+ unregulated youth groups.

Important article:
My Trans Youth Group Experience with Morgan Page
Posted on January 26, 2019
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by GNC-centric

GNC-centric is a detransitioned dysphoric lesbian. She lived as a trans man for most of her teen years in Canada. For many of those years she attended book readings and lectures on gender and LGBT events, and studied queer ideology. She now uses social media to speak critically about the harms she witnessed and experienced as a member of the transgender community. "
(extract)

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly. It was obviously making us uncomfortable, but almost no one ever said anything, only changed the topic or tried to engage them in a conversation away from us. The only time I remember them being asked to leave was when Morgan was away and the group was led by an FTM substitute." (continues)

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction. I remember Morgan asking the three teens in the room, including me, if we were comfortable talking about this, but obviously we weren’t going to say no now that the conversation had already been started by these older people. I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community." (continues)

Unsurprisingly, most of the teens seemed to be there without their parents’ knowledge (as I was), but there was unquestioning support for all of them to medically transition as soon as they wanted. There was one male nonbinary who complained about how they had to perform more femininity in order for their doctor to get them a prescription for estrogen. To us in the group, this doctor was evil for trying to deny our friend what they needed. Looking back now, the only thing that made this person “trans” was their clothing and nail polish. They made no attempt to pass as female, so I understand why a doctor might have been hesitant.

One of the most memorable experiences I had there was when I was 16 and had brought my 15-year-old non-trans female friend with me. We were hanging out, talking about the usual stuff, when Morgan mentioned she was going to be a judge at the Porn Awards that night and invited my friend and I to go with her for free. We said no—I knew right away I would probably see penises, and that would make my dysphoria worse. At that point in my life I had only seen porn once, and since then had only talked to porn actors and cam girls in the queer/trans community online. I honestly thought it was all empowering and fun. Still, my gut reaction was “no,” thank god.

Morgan’s personal life would often come up. This wasn’t a problem in and of itself, but I believe it normalized some harmful behaviour for us younger people" (continues)

4thwavenow.com/tag/morgan-page/

Morgan Page employed as part of Stonewall's 'trans leadership programme' & funded by National Lottery:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3458395-Looks-like-the-National-Lottery-and-Stonewall-have-picked-a-side-in-the-cotton-ceiling-debate

In the UK the NUS, Proud Trust (Manchester) & Action For Trans Health have all failed to respond to serious allegations of inappropriate sexualised behaviour by Jess Bradley despite these being made nearly a year ago.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3520762-Jess-Bradley-government-advisor-and-suspended-NUS-Trans-Officer-Part-iv
4thwavenow.com/tag/morgan-page/

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:16

Not a tangent hooda. Bang on.

R0wantrees · 10/06/2019 12:19

Basically for schools it's a pick n mix from the POV of who and what you follow content wise, NSPCC is very well respected and so most are including all their resources in their pshe programmes.

As a safeguarding charity they should be on this.

They should but they are not.

Its systemic Safeguarding framework failure.

see thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

FlapsMagazine · 10/06/2019 12:25

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but this came up on one of the related Twitter threads. Basically HuffPost Queer page promoting Desmond is Amazing (again). Was posted on late last week as all the NSPCC stuff was starting to kick off

mobile.twitter.com/huffpostqueer/status/1137011335206588416

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:29

We were hanging out, talking about the usual stuff, when Morgan mentioned she was going to be a judge at the Porn Awards that night and invited my friend and I to go with her for free. We said no—I knew right away I would probably see penises, and that would make my dysphoria worse.

And how did Bergorf respond re the porn comment by JT? "Firstly I have never shot porn in my life, secondly demonising those who do isn't okay either."

Fine MB hasn't shot porn but certainly defending porn as ok.

Thus confirming that MB is definitely not the role model for the NSPCC.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:32

That huff post film.

If a young girl was doing exactly the same on film it would not be ok.

LangCleg · 10/06/2019 12:36

NSPCC need to focus on potential coercion & abuse of childen & vulnerable adults in the LGBT+ community not choosing brand ambassadors.

Yes. They are colluding with the establishment of a sacred caste which is against all safeguarding principles and is a recipe for disaster - and by disaster, I mean the kind of thing that has occurred with other previous sacred castes, for example Catholic priests.

The whole point of safeguarding is that it is sceptical. It should never take anyone or anything at face value. That is how abuse is allowed to occur.

I agree that GNC Centric is a vital and important voice here. Should be platformed and centred whenever this conversation arises. So thanks for doing that, R0.

hipsterfun · 10/06/2019 12:41

Chief exec needs to read this thread, really.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:43

Organised fog.

Blurring if lines.

Hiding in plain sight.

We've been here too many times.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/06/2019 12:50

I agree that GNC Centric is a vital and important voice here. Should be platformed and centred whenever this conversation arises.

Absolutely; I sometimes wonder if these charities get wooed by the glamour of someone like MB rather than an actual survivor of abuse.

R0wantrees · 10/06/2019 13:56

Absolutely; I sometimes wonder if these charities get wooed by the glamour of someone like MB rather than an actual survivor of abuse.

The people employed to network, fundraise, promote the brand do not understand Safeguarding, Child Protection or abuse.

There will always be serious failings when this happens cf Amnesty, Save the Children etc

ChattyLion · 11/06/2019 09:05

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-48590026/trans-people-like-second-class-citizens

Trans people 'like second-class citizens'

Leading children’s charity NSPCC has cut ties with Munroe Bergdorf, one of the UK’s most influential transgender activists.
Three days later, she says she is still in the dark about why it happened.
In a statement, the NSPCC said Ms Bergdorf "has supported the most recent phase of Childline's campaign which aims to support children with LGBTQ+ concerns" but she would have "no ongoing relationship with Childline or the NSPCC".
The BBC’s LGBT Correspondent, Ben Hunte, went to meet her.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2019 09:12

Berdorf is the trans equivalent of cut price Katie Price.

100% about self promotion at every available opportunity to build a media career and fund their lifestyle through it.

Only Bergdorf uses woke politics to do it rather than trashy mags.

And the BBC fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Bergdorf is out for Bergdorf. Not the interests of ANY one else. Trans or otherwise.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 10:20

Trans people 'like second-class citizens'

ChattyLion, I just watched this interview.

Munroe has had extraordinary access to media & political opportunities, walked at the front of the London Women's March etc specifically because of Munroe's trans identity.

All adults who become involved with childrens charities should be held to the same levels of scrutiny & responsibility.

When they aren't children & young people are put at risk.

nettie434 · 11/06/2019 10:21

Not feeling remotely sympathetic to NSPCC - this was bound to happen. Exactly the same as happened to L’Oreal and Labour. That’s why you need to choose celebrity supporters/ambassadors etc carefully.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/06/2019 10:29

Celebrity certainly is a funny old fish. Without any actual talent you really are just Chantel or Jedward.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2019 10:32

Don't knock Jedward. They were great at Eurovision. Pure, shit europop with ridiculous costumes and hair.

In no way comparible with Chantel.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/06/2019 10:38

It really isn't like being a second class citizen at all. Plenty of trans people go about their ordinary lives being ordinary and accepted.

Not developing lingerie lines and expecting to be hired by the NSPCC as a result.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 11/06/2019 11:10

It was the strangest news item. 'Person hasn't the job that they may never have had in the first place.'

The BBC gave no time into investigating what actually has happened. Do they employ journalist any more?

There is a really story behind all if this - but it's little to do with Bergdorf.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 11:22

BBC claims 'to have seen evidence of online organisations against Munroe' being set up.

Is BBC taking evidence from Helen Islan /Mimmymum's Venn diagrams?

Hmm
R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 11:25

It was the strangest news item. 'Person hasn't the job that they may never have had in the first place.'

Person says they are 'well-qualified' for a role that may not exist so unlikely to have skills / experience spec.

Explanation that person doen't have the job that they may never have had in the first place = 'transphobia'

TheBestNapIEverHad · 11/06/2019 12:23

Has Munroe got a PR person working at the BBC? Seemed like another opportunity for MB to get on the telly and be brave and stunning.

Very strange ‘news’ item. Zero journalistic investigation going on. No questioning as to why, yet again, Munroe has been dropped by an organisation as an ambassador.

Talk about elephant in the (BBC News) room.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 11/06/2019 12:40

BBC claims 'to have seen evidence of online organisations against Munroe' being set up.

Yet they missed the evidence online were Bergdorf invited vulnerable children to contact them...

NoSquirrels · 11/06/2019 12:45

Is BBC taking evidence from Helen Islan /Mimmymum's Venn diagrams?

I would say that is EXACTLY what has happened!