Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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Words fail me today

It looks like NSPCC cut Monroe for reasons other than trans status or past comments:

https://mobile.twitter.com/warcholmondley/status/1137788797381500928

Miles Cholmondley-Warnerr*

@warcholmondley Replying to @OwenJones84

"@owenjones84 has outdone himself with this chippy rant. Monroe Bergdorf exploited a role with NSPCC for publicity, overstated it & broke agreements celebrities make with the Charity. It is right & no wonder that she has been cut away. For narcissism not flashing her tits"

Well that's as clear as mud. Though we can safely take from it that both Jones & Munroe are being their same old selves.

I don't think much to Melinda Messenger or Abby Clancy as role models either.

I think we should be using women who have made something of their lives through doing something other than flashing their tits or marrying a footballer. But I suppose that makes me a prude.

Yes, actual 'feminists' on twitter calling other women 'prudes' for not appreciating soft core porn.

You couldn't make this shit up.

And also women complaining that transwomen are inherently sexualised.

I mean, if you don't want to be sexualised, don't pose in photos in bondage gear. You know?

Yes, actual 'feminists' on twitter calling other women 'prudes' for not appreciating soft core porn.

Why am I not surprised.

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I feel bad for them, mainly. I also felt kind of like that when I was young I think. When you grow up being told repeatedly that your only worth is your body, women who go against that are scary. So we get all the excuses and BS about how we're prudes or not allowing them to empower themselves or whatever, but underneath, I think they know they're wrong. I knew in the back of my head it was all bullshit, I think.

Luckily, once women hit 30 or so, they usually wake up to this crap. The ones that don't, I really wonder about.

For those not on Twitter - I’m not sure who he is in relation to the NSPCC, but Mike Cholmondeley-Warner has repeatedly asserted that Bergdorf has been dropped due to their own actions - saying that Bergdorf has broken rules agreed to by celebrities endorsing the charity, for self-publicity.

Which sounds about right for Bergdorf, tbh, and entirely unsurprising

Another tweet as well

*Miles Cholmondley-Warner sorry

If I worked at the NSPCC I would be concerned and extremely curious to know how the NSPCC ended up booking a 2 day residential event at an interesting venue that hosts a number of extremely controversial new age cults, including one that advocates the sexual abuse of children
Unstone Grange sounds like a typical New Age-oriented events centre. Maybe they should take a closer look at some of the people they hire out their spaces to, but most of the groups using it sound perfectly benign. Why smear then by association?

What always amazes me about this stuff is how much these people worry about themselves rather than the children they purport to be helping.

As someone else said, the most important pronoun is me me me.

I'd love to see Fionne Orlander put forward as an ambassador for NSPCC instead of Munroe Bergdoff- Fionne is considered, thoughtful and kind
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If Childline are looking for a trans advisor who won't come with a history of homophobic slurs/porn shoots/misogynistic hate speech they should check out @FionneOrlander's timeline.

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I'd like NSPCC to instigate a thorough evidence-based Safeguarding & Child Protection inquiry into how to best support children questioning their gender identity.

Vulnerable children need informed support & guidance throughout the year.

Organisations/businesses & charities throwing Safeguarding to the wind during Pride season is worrying.

The problem for me with a trans ambassador (regardless of how lovely and individual might be) is that the whole basis of queer theory and gender ideology is harmful to children.

I don't really understand how an organisation like the NSPCC can square that circle whilst maintaining best practice and safeguarding of all children.

You're dead right ROwantrees. An organisation like NSPCC should have a proper systematic approach to choosing ambassadors so that any safeguarding issues are identified before they go public

Stellaomalley, there seems to be a very dangerous disconnect between those in childrens charities concerned with branding, fundraising, lobbying, policy making & those who work front-line services and understand child protection, child development & safeguarding.

I'd like NSPCC to instigate a thorough evidence-based Safeguarding & Child Protection inquiry into how to best support children questioning their gender identity.

Yes. There doesn't seem to be any joined up thinking from anywhere, though the Tavistock claim they advocate watchful waiting.

To my mind the Tavistock need to be pulling together here with the NSPCC. The government need to step in in my opinion. It's a bloody free for all.

As far as Fionne is concerned, I know Seven Hex is a friend and Seven advocates absolutely no transitioning till over 21 due to the magnitude of health and social impacts. Seven was thrown off Twitter. I believe, but need to clarify, that Seven doesn't use female spaces despite fully transitioning.

The problem for me with a trans ambassador (regardless of how lovely and individual might be) is that the whole basis of queer theory and gender ideology is harmful to children.

Yes - the fact that the 'treatment' for GD doesn't actually have to include medical transition is not being talked about in the media or by people who have the media (bar yourself Stella.) and maybe now Phoebe Waller Bridge.

Queer theory is bunkum as far as children are concerned.

NSPCC need to focus on potential coercion & abuse of childen & vulnerable adults in the LGBT+ community not choosing brand ambassadors.

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I'd like NSPCC to instigate a thorough evidence-based Safeguarding & Child Protection inquiry into how to best support children questioning their gender identity.

The problem is that doing this in a meaningful way is impossible under the current climate, because of the demand that TWAW be held as axiomatic. So Girl Guiding risk assessments stop being "is it OK for a boy who IDs as a girl to share with girls?" (NO) and become "is it OK for this girl to share with other girls?" (YES). The city of London consultation rejects any answers which object on the basis that TW in women's spaces make those spaces mixed sex, and only allow objections which start from the acknowledgement that spaces can be both trans inclusive and single sex (which makes the objection one of intolerance rather than safeguarding). We analyse this stuff from the POV that gender identity isn't a real thing and that people's perceptions of gender are subjective and without any relationship to objective reality. Any NSPCC inquiry must, in the current climate, start from the position that having a gender identity is a real thing, and that everyone's perception of their own gender is objectively meaningful. Such an inquiry would therefore be utterly meaningless. We need inquiries which question whether gender ID is a real thing, and safeguarding that starts from the premise that TWAM. Anything else is like asking how best to support people questioning their faith, from the POV that God and a soul definitely 100% exist (which is why atheists support people leaving religion to embrace a secular life whilst religious people ask them why they're angry with God). Gender ideology (as it stands removed from dysphoria) is 100% a faith based belief system, and your ability to help people questioning those beliefs is directly related to your own position within or outside that belief system. I honestly think that unless you're gender critical you do not have the ability to engage honestly or meaningfully with any risk assessment, inquiry, or safeguarding protocol right now.

The problem is that doing this in a meaningful way is impossible under the current climate, because of the demand that TWAW be held as axiomatic.

No it is perfectly possible for an evidence-based Safeguarding & Child Protection review because it would take place within established Safeguarding & CP frameworks which are entirely different.

NSPCC need to focus on potential coercion & abuse of childen & vulnerable adults in the LGBT+ community not choosing brand ambassadors.

Precisely.

GNC Ben is brave.

The stunning and brave stuff for kids has to stop. Adults 'transition'. Children need support with abuse and bullying for being different and especially for homophobia.

Stellaomalley, there seems to be a very dangerous disconnect between those in childrens charities concerned with branding, fundraising, lobbying, policy making & those who work front-line services and understand child protection, child development & safeguarding.

I think you will find similar or the same issues in all kinds of large charities and even within the police service.

There needs to be an urgent investigation into the organisations awarding CDP credits to professionals within the police, social services, mental health, the NHS etc.

Also the whole field of expert witnesses is riddled with frauds and charlatans

sorry to go off on a tangent

as you were

We are supposed to be getting away from 'perfect body images' and how online imagery is affecting young children.

Ffs look at the Instagram self harm stuff. I asked what guidelines there were for schools to deal with online influences at a recent safeguarding update and the deliverer admitted that it was difficult and most likely something that should be tackled in pshe lessons. There's no proper guidance.

A charity may pop up to fill the gap but Q+ is trendy so that's getting more attention.

There's bugger all official guidance there. So mermaids, NO and various others are filling the gaps. Transgender Trend is great but at the end of the day not official guidance from the dfe.

There will be a flood of stuff coming out over the next couple of years with the RSE stuff but from what I've seen the actual dfe guidance is waffy, isn't necessarily proper safeguarding, kids are transitioning thanks to wobberly et al, and no one is taking proper charge of all this!