Boundaries and Allies

[DancingRaven]

I came across a post on Twitter which included what appears as a screenshot from a WhatsApp conversation with a gender critical ally. The image is attached for reference.

It is so disappointing to see this, are women's boundaries just amusing to everyone? How can we work together when our sex based rights are just 'politics'?

That is the key argument that I'm facing.

Nope.

The argument you are facing is that women's spaces are for women. It doesn't matter what motivation one has for violating that boundary.

And I think your wrong because, in the admittedly limmited, converations I have had with Debbie they have quite emphatically emphasised the fact they are male, biologically and as far as socialisation goes, and they have also been quite sure that they are mindful of respecting womens spaces and boundaries.

Realistically, what's the difference to me if a male transperson using female facilities recognises the fact that they are male or denies that they are male?

19 'i' s and 2 'women'

Disappointing

The argument you are facing is that women's spaces are for women. It doesn't matter what motivation one has for violating that boundary.

This. If you genuinely believe that women have the right to our own sex-segregated spaces, you’ll respect them.

Barracker you say everything I want to without the snark and the anger. I salute you.

That is the key argument that I'm facing.

So in fact it's still about you deciding what risks/situations women should be subjected to and where you put the boundaries for them.

Instead of listening to women, respecting women's rights to set those boundaries for themselves, and granting them any kind of equality in your eyes.

No. This isn't the 'key argument' women are facing, those spaces are not male born people's to decide who and who isn't allowed in them. Women actually aren't subhuman. The sexism in this is astounding.

It's not about niceness, it's about maleness.

Yes. I know some truly lovely males. That doesn’t mean I want to share a toilet with them - or a changing room for that matter. We have to have a blanket rule. No exceptions.

I agree with, and second, what Barracker has said

If you had even a drop of empathy for women but especially for girls, you would never, ever force your presence upon them.

And Debbie? I've seen you being told this time out of mind.

So if you want to violate women's boundaries, bloody well own it.

I think Debbie is decent and honourable and is incredibly important for the gender critical movement

In what way Stellaomalley?

I can't see how a man who has no respect for women's boundaries is decent and honourable.

Important in meaning that we can’t have any boundaries or rules at all, Stella?

I do not, Stella.

And I will tell my child that any man that enters her private female spaces is a really abusive, bad man.
I am teaching her that there is no man on earth she may not say no to regarding her body and her boundaries.

What would you say to little girls who encounter men whilst they are getting undressed, or dealing with menstruation, or trying to escape men and boys?
Would you tell those girls that their needs to privacy come second to a grown man's desire to follow them into whichever room they are in?

What do I tell my child?
Which men must she learn to obey?

Stellaomalley

Please engage. I want to understand why women are expected to accept some men disregarding them, but not others, purely based on their say so.

How on earth does that work?

Oh Chiochan you misunderstand. What I meant was that as DH is married to a woman DH is clearly not a homosexual transsexual (according to Blanchard’s typology) which means that DH appears to be AGP. Which means DH gets a sexual response from being perceived as a woman (again according to Blanchard’s typology). The issue is that AGP males coopt everyone around them into their fetish. And I don’t consent to that. Please don’t be offended by me setting boundaries and saying I don’t consent.